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[-] agressivelyPassive@feddit.de 19 points 1 year ago

I only read the wiki article and honestly, I can't tell what makes that different from other "advanced" FSs like BTRFS and ZFS.

Could someone get me up to speed here?

[-] Spore@lemmy.ml 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Compared to btrfs it's claimed to be faster and having working RAID support. Its unique feature is using a fast device as cache to speed up access to slower, larger disks, I think.

[-] trougnouf@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yes. The intelligent multi-device-type feature is a huge improvement for any workload that needs more space than what an SSD can affordably provide, even moreso with the reliability of eg RAID1.

Before that I had to use BTRFS (RAID1) on bcache (not fs) devices, but half of the cache space was being wasted on the redundant copies because the two systems operate independently.

[-] sxan@midwest.social 16 points 1 year ago

To explain in case someone doesn't know what this means, it's something BTRFS doesn't have (and AFAIK isn't even on the roadmap). It means you could have, say, an SSD and a more reliable HDD RAIDed such that every stripe on the HDD counts as multiple writes; and you might set that system up so that the SSD is read with priority, and the HDD is written in the background, so that - even though you have a slow drive in the RAID, throughput happens at the faster SSD speeds.

The average user probably won't use this much, but there are all sorts of ways this could be leveraged, by companies, self-hosters, smart OS installation scripts, even removable drive mounters, like udiskie.

[-] intrepid@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago

Compared to btrfs, it has native encryption too - though it's said to be unaudited at the moment. Btrfs needs dmcrypt for encryption support.

[-] Tiuku@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

What are the actual differences between native encryption and dmcrypt? Like: Can it be booted? Does it leak more information about the fs? Is it faster?

[-] intrepid@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Native encryption is when the filesystem driver does the decryption in addition to the regular decoding job. Dmcrypt is where encryption is done by a separate component that's part of the kernel. Dmcrypt decrypts the raw block device (partition) and creates an unencrypted virtual block device (usually in /dev/mapper/). The filesystem driver then decodes this virtual device to give the final data access. It's like having a filesystem within a filesystem.

Regular bootloaders like Grub can't decrypt anything. So the /boot device is usually on a separate unencrypted partition. You need the initramfs to be able to decrypt and decode the partition. That's not very complicated - most users don't even need to deal with it.

Dmcrypt is arguably more secure than native encryption, since you won't know the filesystem type until you decrypt the partition first. On the other hand, native encryption is likely to be faster and more flexible for complex filesystems like ZFS, Btrfs and BCachefs.

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