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U.S. Rejects Putin’s Latest Call for Ukraine Negotiations (www.nytimes.com)

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[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 19 points 8 months ago

Except that's not what's actually happening given that it's Europe and Ukraine being broom fucked, as you put it. Russian economy is growing, as is its industrial output. Russia has successfully diverted trade away from the west and had no problems finding new trade partners. Russian military output now outpaces all of G7 as western media openly admits. Meanwhile, the regime US installed in Ukraine is sacrificing the country for US interests while scumbags in the west cheer this on.

[+] groupofcrows@lemmy.ca -13 points 8 months ago

I would recommend people watch YouTuber "Joe Blogs", his videos are very informative on this topic. The Russian ruble stayed afloat for a while because the central bank had to spend a lot of money to defend it. They cannot afford this now which is why the currency has tanked. They wanted other countries to use rubles when purchasing Russian product but are in such a weak state they had to accept Yuan's and rupees. Even if the war ended, Russia has lost its most valuable clients in the west. The Russian government controls economic data so it's hard to know exactly what is happening with economy. Government military spending has increased which would help but how long can they keep doing this? This is artificially lifting the economy and will end when the war ends. Ukraine claims 400,000 Russian casualties, add the Russians who fled earlier in the war, that's a huge loss in manpower and skills. I see Russian protesters asking for their soldiers to return home since they've served their required terms. How many of those loved ones are dead and what will the reaction be like.

If Russia is winning, why are they asking to negotiate a war they started and have not achieved their goals set for this "3 day special military operation"?

Russian military output is greater than the west? I'm not going to check this because it doesn't matter. Do we need to worry that Russia has more shit tier equipment for their soldiers? You're also buying weapons from Iran and North Korea.

I feel sorry for the Ukrainian blood being spilled but NATO can easily afford to continue this war indefinitely. Putin might have a strange hold on Russian necks and your bank account but the numbers are working against him.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 16 points 8 months ago

This is what happens when you get your information from a guy named Joe Blogs as opposed to actual credible sources. 😂

Russian rouble being low actually creates more domestic profit for the Russian government selling resources. Also, last I checked rouble is trading at 91 to a dollar which is hardly tanked. Given that it's generally been trading between 80 and 90 to a dollar.

Also, not sure where you got the notion that clients in the west were most valuable to Russia. Trading with countries that aren't trying to undermine Russia is far more preferable from Russian perspective. It's the western countries, specifically in Europe, that are most hurt by all this. Hence why Russian economy is growing while Europe is going into a recession.

Hilarious that you call military spending an artificial increase. What does that say about US economy then, weird how nobody applies the same logic there.

Ukraine claims a lot of things, like the Ghost of Kiev. Meanwhile, the only western sources that provides any methodology shows Russian casualties to be at around 43k https://en.zona.media/article/2022/05/20/casualties_eng

Russia is not asking to negotiate the war. What they said from the start is that they're open to negotiations on their terms which have not changed since the start of the war.

Meanwhile, if you think that NATO can afford to continue the was indefinitely then you have no understanding of how industrial economy works. NATO lacks industrial capacity to produce weapons and ammunition at the rate being spent in Ukraine. This is openly admitted by NATO.

It's incredible that people still believe all the nonsense you wrote even though western media now openly admits that all this is false.