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submitted 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) by Kalcifer@sh.itjust.works to c/selfhosted@lemmy.world

I use nftables to set my firewall rules. I typically manually configure the rules myself. Recently, I just happened to dump the ruleset, and, much to my surprise, my config was gone, and it was replaced with an enourmous amount of extremely cryptic firewall rules. After a quick examination of the rules, I found that it was Docker that had modified them. And after some brief research, I found a number of open issues, just like this one, of people complaining about this behaviour. I think it's an enourmous security risk to have Docker silently do this by default.

I have heard that Podman doesn't suffer from this issue, as it is daemonless. If that is true, I will certainly be switching from Docker to Podman.

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[-] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 17 points 7 months ago

This is standard, but often unwanted, behavior of docker.

Docker creates a bunch of chain rules, but IIRC, doesn't modify actual incoming rules (at least it doesn't for me) it just will make a chain rule for every internal docker network item to make sure all of the services can contact each other.

Yes it is a security risk, but if you don't have all ports forwarded, someone would still have to breach your internal network IIRC, so you would have many many more problems than docker.

I think from the dev's point of view (not that it is right or wrong), this is intended behavior simply because if docker didn't do this, they would get 1,000 issues opened per day of people saying containers don't work when they forgot to add a firewall rules for a new container.

Option to disable this behavior would be 100x better then current, but what do I know lol

[-] moonpiedumplings@programming.dev 6 points 7 months ago

Yes it is a security risk, but if you don’t have all ports forwarded, someone would still have to breach your internal network IIRC, so you would have many many more problems than docker.

I think from the dev’s point of view (not that it is right or wrong), this is intended behavior simply because if docker didn’t do this, they would get 1,000 issues opened per day of people saying containers don’t work when they forgot to add a firewall rules for a new container.

My problem with this, is that when running a public facing server, this ends up with people exposing containers that really, really shouldn't be exposed.

Excerpt from another comment of mine:

It’s only docker where you have to deal with something like this:

***
services:
  webtop:
    image: lscr.io/linuxserver/webtop:latest
    container_name: webtop
    security_opt:
      - seccomp:unconfined #optional
    environment:
      - PUID=1000
      - PGID=1000
      - TZ=Etc/UTC
      - SUBFOLDER=/ #optional
      - TITLE=Webtop #optional
    volumes:
      - /path/to/data:/config
      - /var/run/docker.sock:/var/run/docker.sock #optional
    ports:
      - 3000:3000
      - 3001:3001
    restart: unless-stopped

Originally from here, edited for brevity.

Resulting in exposed services. Feel free to look at shodan or zoomeye, internet connected search engines, for exposed versions of this service. This service is highly dangerous to expose, as it gives people an in to your system via the docker socket.

[-] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

So uh, I just spun up a vps a couple days ago, few docker containers, usual security best practices... I used ufw to block all and open only ssh and a couple others, as that's what I've been told all I need to do. Should I be panicking about my containers fucking with the firewall?

[-] moonpiedumplings@programming.dev 7 points 7 months ago

Probably not an issue, but you should check. If the port opened is something like 127.0.0.1:portnumber, then it's only bound to localhost, and only that local machine can access it. If no address is specified, then anyone with access to the server can access that service.

An easy way to see containers running is: docker ps, where you can look at forwarded ports.

Alternatively, you can use the nmap tool to scan your own server for exposed ports. nmap -A serverip does the slowest, but most indepth scan.

[-] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

Just waking up, I've been running docker on my nas for a few years now and was never made aware of this - the nas ports appear safe, but the vps is not, so I swapped in 127.0.0.1 in front of the port number (so it's now 127.0.0.1:8080:80 or what have you), and that appears to resolve it. I have nginx running so of course that's how I want to have a couple things exposed, not everything via port.

My understanding was that port:port just was local for allowing redirection from container to host, and you'd still need to do network firewall management yourself to allow stuff through, and that appears the case on my home network, so I never had reason to question it. Thanks, I learned something today :)

Might do the same to my nas containers, too, just to be safe. I'm using those containers as a testbed for the vps containers so I don't want to forget...

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