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The person I am talking about is Dr. Palaniappan Manickam aka Dr. Pal, a board-certified gastroenterologist from Sacramento, California, who is also a YouTuber. He's created various videos targeting Indian netizens, most of which are decent, but not without adding his own twist of misinformation, that are considered unscientific - some of them have been debunked here and here (auto-captions available).

I can't help but think why YouTube would immediately remove videos that spread misinformation, but only when it affects the western world, but not the other part? Clearly, this guy's video is in English, he participates in collaborations with other misinformation-peddling YouTubers - the consequences of which a few percent of the billion people in India have to face - which is still, a lot of people? Sure, you can complain that it is the responsibility of the Indian government - but they are themselves in this business of pseudo-science. When there's no one taking responsibility, I can't help but feel helpless about the lies people will hear.

Edit: And to why this matters, there's an on-going case in the Supreme Court of India. Said "guru" sold Coronil kit, and mocked dying doctors. What did the kit do? It had high concentration of lead. Dr. Cyriac Abby Philips fought against it - and the system tried to punish him.

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[-] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 14 points 6 months ago

there is no clear definition of what constitutes science

My understanding is anyone who follows the scientific method is taking part in science. Some fields can't completely follow the scientific method for practical reasons and they're called "soft sciences" (ex. economics, due to experiments being difficult to carry out). If the scientific method isn't followed, it isn't science.

[-] mukt@lemmy.ml -5 points 6 months ago

Economics has been there as an academic subject since centuries, but it wasn't classified as a science till around one generation ago. The same goes for other social sciences. In fact, social sciences used to be known as social studies.

Scientific method isn't the criteria of determining what is science even in core sciences as of today. Take the field of medicine, for example. It filters out all knowledge and research which is not done by qualified doctors. Who becomes a medical doctor is very tightly controlled by institutions, and doctors are heavily disincentivized to speak against the given lines.

So much so, the research in medical field has been reduced to statistics of administration of pharma drugs to humans. In medicine, one no longer tests whether consumption of say, an apple, will have any impact on a patient. Testing apples, and finding them beneficial will not only not be publishedas research, it is considered "pseudo-science" by many.

[-] Railcar8095@lemm.ee 6 points 6 months ago

That last example is extremely bad and reeks of bad faith argument. Eating apples, as with fruits and fresh produce in general, has been tested multiples times and some of it's benefits measured.

There's already a general consensus that they are "beneficial". A study that says "apples are good for you" wouldn't add anything unless they are good in a way that wasn't known before. For example, do they have a different and unknown impact in people with a specific condition?

Of course if the study doesn't have any real study behind and just says things like "apples are good because they are fruits" then it can be labeled as pseudoscience.

[-] mukt@lemmy.ml -5 points 6 months ago

That last example is extremely bad and reeks of bad faith argument. Eating apples, as with fruits and fresh produce in general, has been tested multiples times and some of it's benefits measured.

You are missing the point. There are hundreds of pieces of published research on stuff that didn't work or not work during corona virus like remdesivir, ivermectin, azithromycin, paracetamol, etc... but, where is the published research on effect of apples?

Maybe doctors were too busy (or too pre-occupied with furthering interests of the pharma lobby) and didn't pay attention.

  • Could the nurses have done the research on apples? Probably.
  • Is it published anywhere? No.
  • Would it be science if done with scientific method? Probably yes, though the current institutions controlling science would probably disagree.
[-] Railcar8095@lemm.ee 5 points 6 months ago

No, not missing the point. Your comment shows I'm right on point.

This kind of studies is not something a random person, or even a trained nurse, can do on their spare time. You couldn't just give apples to some people and look a week later for results. You need control group, you need to account for extra factors.

And before the experiment you need to have a reason for it. Can a drug that works for other coronavirus work here? Some compound that has the opposite effects mitigate the symptoms?

Why would even check "apples"? They might consider a component that exists on apples, but why apple itself? Unless there's an external event that correlates apples with a result, it's a bit weird.

Natural sciences without scientific method are not science. If you don't test and validate the hypothesis, you're just making things up. Without it, I can say apples cure baldness and blame big pharma for not letting this being published.

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