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[-] SmartmanApps@programming.dev 18 points 3 months ago
  • object-oriented (this is their FIRST proper programming language - they don't even know how to write loops yet and you want us to teach them OOP at the same time?! And as it turns out, I had one student who literally could NOT work out how to use a loop - kept writing 20 variables for 20 iterations. i.e. her variables never varied!)
  • variables are weakly-typed (use it for anything, whether it's what you first used it for or not, Python doesn't care)
  • indentation has to be exact (i.e. no brackets, just exact indentation). I had one student whose program wasn't working, and it even took ME a while to find what was wrong with it (a missing space).

I think there was more, but that's what I remember off the top of my head. If it was up to me then I would've used Pascal - that's what it's designed for! But at least C# has strongly-typed variables, and doesn't care about your indentation (and unfortunately there was no non-OOP language choice available - I'm not sure how this got in the curriculum when every teacher knows you only teach one concept at a time). As I said, many other teachers felt the same way, but couldn't get it past their school admin's.

[-] Nighed@feddit.uk 0 points 2 months ago

I learnt to program in python (in year 12). It was pretty good:

  • less intimidating than the languages full of braces/brackets.
  • as it's also a scripting language, you can ignore OOP and just write code.
  • has lots of kid friendly drawing libraries (tortoise.py anyone?) so they can make things they can see on screen etc
[-] SmartmanApps@programming.dev 4 points 2 months ago

I learnt to program in python (in year 12)

Yes, it's fine for Year 12 - you've already learnt all that stuff by then - it's NOT fine for Year 7 as a first proper programming language, when they haven't learnt ANY of that stuff yet.

[-] Nighed@feddit.uk 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I leant from scratch as my first programming language in year 12.

They tried to teach OOP in year 13, but I didn't really get it until university.

This was years ago at this point, I think they introduced the programming GCSE the year after I did my A-Levels.

A scripting language like python is the ideal language to start with because you can JUST learn the programming bit without worrying about OOP, project structures, compiling etc.

[-] SmartmanApps@programming.dev 3 points 2 months ago

I think they introduced the programming GCSE the year after I did my A-Levels

I was teaching the IGCSE, to students all over the globe.

you can JUST learn the programming bit

But NONE of the resources which have been provided to schools do it that way - they ALL use OOP. If that's what your faculty has chosen to use, then that's what you have to use. It comes back to what I've been saying all along - the schools are dictating to the teachers what they are to teach, and it's NOT based on what's best for the students educationally, but what has the least admin overhead for them. That's the stupid reason that I had to learn Python - admin concerns!

[-] Nighed@feddit.uk 2 points 2 months ago

Oh, ok, that's annoying then. One of those cases where it feels like the person putting the course together has never actually interacted with children?

[-] SmartmanApps@programming.dev 1 points 2 months ago

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. The decision was made for us by school admins, NOT CS teachers. That's why it was the stupid reason I had to learn Python.

[-] SmartmanApps@programming.dev 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Oh, I should clarify that. Teaching Python was decided for us by admins. The course material MAY have been designed by a teacher, but then also it may have been designed for Year 9 say. It's inappropriate to be teaching it to Year 7 as a first proper programming language, but that's what we had to do (otherwise then we would also have to make all our own resources to do it, and don't forget at this point that I didn't know how to program in Python myself yet! So yes, I had to use the already made resources, which had OOP in it).

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