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No, really, Republicans are getting weirder
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I don't like Vance, but, I kinda agree? Parents have a greater stake in our nations future, and that should be reflected in their voting power.
Of course I think this should be solved by lowering the voting age, since that prevents abusive or absent parents from having that power, while still giving it to parents trusted by their children. But Republicans don't want that.
A) Having children is by far more common than not having children. If sperm donors/receivers are so much more fundamentally concerned with the future how did they let the climate issue become a crisis? You all have been in the driver's seat and you fucked it up.
B) I have likely another ~40ish years left on this Earth. Towards the end of that time there's a good chance I'm going to be reliant on people your children's age for, at the very least, medical care and possibly other elder care depending on how my health turns out. That being the case, I'm quite invested in the next generation being well qualified to provide that, thanks.
C) Thinking that people will only care about how things turn out for future generations if they have children of their own to care about is telling on yourself pretty hard. Kind of the same energy as people who think everyone would rape and pillage if they didn't have a fear of God keeping them in check.
Factually incorrect. In 2022, about 40.26 percent of all family households in the United States had their own children under age 18 living in the household. To be clear, when I say "children", I mean by age too, I'm not concerned about giving 80 yr-olds with 50yr-old children more voting power.
talking like this just tells me you're unserious about this conversation. I have no further desire to engage with you
Your assertion was that, "Parents have a greater stake in our nations future". Do people suddenly stop caring about the future when their children move out? Perhaps you don't think parents of adult children should have extra votes but you suggested that they care more about the future and the totality of people who have children is still greater than those who do not, putting that class in the driver's seat.
More like your stances are weak and unsupportable and you want an easy exit.
My stances are perfectly supportable, but I have no desire to debate with immature people on the internet
Ah yes, the classic defense of someone who is dead wrong but is too weak to admit it.
Sure thing.
Your stance is pathetically weak. There is no justification for altering constitutional rights to give a subset of people political advantage who btw already get billions of dollars in tax incentives every year. You already get paid to have children but that's not enough, you want even more: outsized political power.
In order for your stance to be correct, not only do we have to have it in our nature to care more about the future, if we have kids, as well as that, what they think is good for the future, is.
Show proof of these things, and then your argument hold water. Until then this all just what seems like it should be true to you.
So once your kids are 18 you don't get to vote anymore? What about grandkids? Do they count? It seems like step children don't since Harris has some of them. Would those kids still count toward the other parent even if that parent is a dead beat? What about adopted kids?
None of these concerns matter with my proposed solution, which is to lower the voting age.
Which is entirely unrelated to giving parents more of a vote than adults without kids.
You can say the youth should get more of a say and we should lower the voting age if you want; but that's not what Vance is saying.
It is pretty heavily related because parents have influence over their children