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You're afraid to have a discussion with them. You're afraid to have a discussion with me. People are going to disagree sometimes, and that's ok. The path of the coward is to cut people out forever.
If 10 people sit at a table with 1 Nazi then there are 11 Nazis at the table.
Nobody who would vote for a Republican is allowed to disclaim Jan6th. They can only claim to be voting for Republicans despite that event or because of it.
I'll happily argue with Republicans 'til the cows come home, but they don't like arguing with me because I refuse to treat them with anything less than the contempt they deserve.
I would encourage you to be respectful regardless. No one will hear you if you are treating them with contempt.
Personally I think that low taxes and small government are valid perspectives. Unfortunately many Republicans are really only in favor of those things in theory, as long as they apply to liberal ideas. Regardless, I think it's important to treat them as human, listen to their concerns and respectfully point out their hypocrisy when it happens. In the end, everyone is trying to do what is best for themselves and their families, and are only viewing problems and solutions through the echo chamber in which they take part. The way forward will involve listening, respect, and a bit of compromise.
They won't hear it anyway, studies show that debate is extremely unlikely to change anyone's mind. The point of arguing with Republicans isn't to "be heard" by the kind of people who would prefer to see me dead or worse, it is to demonstrate to them that their bullshit will not be quietly tolerated.
Personally, I think trying to pass off a couple of slogans as if they were a policy position is a typical form of Republican intellectual dishonesty and I love making them squirm by asking detailed questions about what they mean.
You've got that precisely backwards, as is typical of American liberals.
Republicans are not ashamed of their hypocrisy, they are empowered by it. To be taken seriously despite the disconnect between their words and deeds is a position of power that they believe they have the right to exercise over all their lessers.
In fact, this hypocritical immunity is a cornerstone of conservative politics. Wilhoit's Law: "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."
They literally do not care so long as the hypocrisy benefits those "on their side" and harms those lower in the hierarchy they defend.
And how, precisely, do you plan on forcing Republicans to compromise their principles in such a fashion? To paraphrase another common saying, "It is almost impossible to get a man to agree to something when his political identity depends on his refusal to do so."
There is not much point in engaging in discussion with someone who thinks they have an entire group of people all figured out. It's a LOT of people. Treat them as individuals. Be well.
A lot of people with a common trait, they identify with the Republican party.