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Summary

A post-election survey by Priorities USA found that voters in key swing states prioritized economic concerns like inflation over Donald Trump's role in the January 6 Capitol attack.

Many did not view Trump as a continued threat to democracy, including key Biden-to-Trump voters.

Efforts by Kamala Harris' campaign to highlight Trump’s authoritarian tendencies failed to resonate, as Trump's image as a "successful businessman" persisted.

Democrats underestimated voters’ lack of hostility toward Trump, particularly among younger non-white voters, complicating their strategy in the 2024 election.

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[-] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world 48 points 2 days ago

Because the DOJ didn't care. Neither did Biden.

The day that Garland got sworn in, there should have been a warrant issued for Trump's arrest on treason charges. Given his unique position as not only a threat to national security, but also a fight risk, Trump needed some 5 star accomodations at ADX-Florence until the threat to national security has been fully investigated and neutralized.

If they could literally hunt down Edward Snowden in real time like a real-time game of Carmen Sandiego, they can have Trump brought in for treason. Lock him up in ADX-Florence during the investigation to make sure he doesn't hop on a private jet and head straight to Saudi Arabia or Russia or something.

The FBI, CIA, NSA or whoever executed the Mar-A-Lago raid absolutely should not have given Trump a heads up as a courtesy. Show up, secure the documents, escort Trump out in handcuffs and take him and everybody who even walked into that room in the past six months straight to Colorado. Under no circumstances should securing top secret documents be treated with the same urgency as rescheduling an inconvenient doctor's appointment.

If the DOJ wasn't going to take this seriously, why should the people?

[-] Zak@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

The day that Garland got sworn in, there should have been a warrant issued for Trump’s arrest on treason charges.

That would have been foolish both legally and politically.

Garland should have appointed a special prosecutor immediately rather than delaying for a year and a half. Direct involvement of the administration would have raised questions of political bias and revenge with both the courts and the public. A prosecution for treason, which is defined very narrowly would raise similar questions.

The charges against him for January 6 would have likely derailed his campaign and could have led to a lengthy prison sentence had they been filed 18 months earlier. He is not a young man; chances are strong it would have been effectively a life term.

[-] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

Garland should have appointed a special prosecutor immediately rather than delaying for a year and a half. Direct involvement of the administration would have raised questions of political bias and revenge with both the courts and the public.

I completely disagree with this logic. What you are saying is that the President would be essentially immune from prosecution even before that terrible SC decision because prosecuting the former president would have been bad optics anyway. Heaven for-fucking-bid. All this does is strengthen the two-tier justice system in this country.

A prosecution for treason, which is defined very narrowly would raise similar questions.

The man stole countless boxes of national security secrets, stuffed them in a golf club bathroom, and his son-in-law magically got $2 billion out of nowhere. The man held meetings in the white house with foreign representatives, behind closed doors, without allowing US translators or note-takers in the room.

That's treason. At the very least, put treason charges before the American people and let a jury decide. I stand by my belief: The man should have had a permanent stay at ADX-Florence the minute those boxes were found.

[-] Zak@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

the President would be essentially immune from prosecution

What is it you think a special prosecutor does?

The man stole countless boxes of national security secrets, stuffed them in a golf club bathroom, and his son-in-law magically got $2 billion out of nowhere. The man held meetings in the white house with foreign representatives, behind closed doors, without allowing US translators or note-takers in the room.

The first of those things is very much illegal, and the special prosecutor who was appointed too late did indict him for it. On a different timeline with a different judge, it likely would have resulted in a conviction and a lengthy prison term.

The other two are very suspicious. It's very likely there were crimes surrounding those events, but they are not, themselves crimes. They certainly aren't treason against the United States, which

shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.

Now it's possible some of those foreign representatives could be considered "enemies", and possible he gave them secret information, which would qualify as "aid and comfort". The next thing the constitution requires is

No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

And sure, if that burden is met, he should be charged. Otherwise, charges that are actually likely to hold up in court are more appropriate.

[-] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

the President would be essentially immune from prosecution

What is it you think a special prosecutor does?

The idea of a "special prosecutor" is and always has been redundant. If I'm going to go after a political opponent, what is the difference between doing it myself and hiring someone to do it for me? If people are going to think it's political persecution, they're going to think that way whether I do it myself or hire someone to do it under my watch. The end result is the same. I can guarantee you that absolutely no AG is going to appoint a special prosecutor who isn't going to do exactly what the AG would have done themselves anyway.

shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.

And exactly what the fuck did you think Donald Trump was going to do with a room full of national security secrets stolen, hidden, and locked in a golf course bathroom? Some light reading while taking a dump? What did you think the Saudis gave Kushner $2 billion for? A birthday present?

[-] Zak@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

exactly what the fuck did you think Donald Trump was going to do with a room full of national security secrets

Something very crooked, for which he should be in prison.

Most things that are crooked and harmful to the country are not treason, and many things that might be treason are difficult to prove as treason due to the unique constraints on prosecuting that crime. We have other criminal charges for those acts, and Trump was, in fact charged with felonies for them. The prosecution was started too late, for which I do blame the Biden administration and specifically Garland.

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