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[-] barsoap@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Russia has not been a part of ‘the west’, certainly not as far as most of the EU is concerned unless you’re trying to be intentionally obtuse

It has been a colonial empire for quite a while now. Or do you really think this didn't happen with military force? That it's just the natural extent of the Russian nation? Or that the Empire didn't brutally exploit every new territory they conquered? "Colony" doesn't mean "overseas".

Every single larger, or affluent, European country engaged in colonialism.

It’s pretty funny having iron crosses constantly showing up on all the UA vehicles

That's the Cossack cross. The Cossacks got it from the Templars, same root as the Iron Cross.

The Ukrainian state has been killing civilians indiscriminately in its two breakaway regions

Отъебись ватник блядь.

[-] sharedburdens@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Were the Russians also doing chattel slavery like the west was for literally hundreds of years? Like sure conditions for serfs weren't great, but the transatlantic slave trade, the mass genocide of the americas, the subjugation of africa, india and china built the wealth of europe. You're trying to act like these two things are the same and they're not

Отъебись ватник блядь.

lmao

seriously though:

The Ukrainian state has been killing civilians indiscriminately in its two breakaway regions

Where's the lie? You guys think that's a good thing. Link to more info

[-] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Like sure conditions for serfs weren’t great,

They were abhorrent. You're really playing semantics here, conditions were essentially slave-like just as, say, Cuba under Batista.

built the wealth of europe

No. Water power did, Europe has an absurd number of suitable streams for grain mills which allowed the creation of extensive trade, merchant, and scholar classes -- as they could be fed. Which led to technological superiority which led to the capacity to roll over other nations (and the presumption that it was the right thing to do). Without that pre-existing wealth all that colonising would not have been possible.

Where’s the lie? You guys think that’s a good thing.

You're accusing me of condoning or advocating genocide?

[-] sharedburdens@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago

They were abhorrent. You're really playing semantics here, conditions were essentially slave-like just as, say, Cuba under Batista.

Yes it was bad, still not as bad as chattel slavery, but pretty bad, that's why it was completely deserved when they had a revolution. Not sure why you keep bringing up the colonization of siberia like it's relevant to what's going on now though. Comparing the amount of human life lost in that to the conquest of Americas though is just silly- there's no comparison and the same American government is still around since then!

[-] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

This isn't a "did the UK or Russia kill more natives" kind of discussion. This is a "Russia is a colonial empire" kind of discussion.

And yes of course fewer natives died in Siberia, it's fucking cold there there were never many in the first place.

[-] sharedburdens@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They have had several government changes since then. The US has the same constitution since it was doing its shit, the one with slavery in it. (they only do it to prisoners now though, don't ask too many questions about why they have the highest prison population in the world)

Calling them a 'colonial empire' especially from the seat of the worlds largest and most brutal historical colonial empires is laughable. (1/3 of Africa has had a monetary policy run out of Paris to this day, I wonder why they're kicking them out)

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