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Why cant the Middle East just chill out?
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this post was submitted on 08 Oct 2023
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The conflict in the Mesopotamian region are the oldest in recorded history. These episodes of the Fall of Civilizations podcast do a pretty good job of describing the various nation states in the area and what we know about what happened to them:
It's important to understand that these nation states are the oldest known. They are a part of the cultural background of all human civilization. Their conflicts are not only a part of what the Middle East is today, but of what the entire world is today. Their history is our history.
Almost every major conqueror in history, and many minor ones, started conflicts in the Middle East, including Alexander, Julius Caesar, and Genghis Khan.
Between the 7th and 11th centuries, there was a series of wars between the various Arab nations and the Eastern Roman Empire.
Following that, various European nations attempted to conquer parts of the Middle East in the Crusades.
During the 1800s, various European empires took control over various parts of the Middle East, through both military and political action, though the Ottoman Empire controlled most of the region.
WWI saw the end of the Ottoman Empire, after which the European powers carved up their territory.
During Operation Exporter in WWII a British-led force invaded Syria and Lebanon to take control from Vichy France, which had signed the Paris Accords and given territorial control to the German military. Conflict in the area continued after WWII.
This isn't an exhaustive timeline by any means. No part of our world has been fought over as often, or with as much force, as the Middle East. The feuds there are older than recorded history.
This attitude:
Demonstrates an ignorance of world history. It's an arrogant point of view that suggests that the people living in the area are solely responsible for the long history of conflict, which is not the case. And the idea that Western nations could and/or should take actions in this area to "quell the infants" is absolutely delusional. The history of all such actions (such as Desert Storm I and II) has led to more destabilization and conflict in the Middle East, not less.
Non ironically old wars in the Mesopotamian region was my audio TOEFL test 3 years ago
I think the historical record basically shows that organized groups of humans (like the early nation-states) have been picking fights with each other since the first organized groups existed. We have been warring with each other since before there was a word for it. I don't know how we ever get out of it.
It is therapeutic to hear the words of reason at times like these were irrational uneducated "opinions" are flung around more than ever.
World history should be mandatory in every country and tested exhaustively. Kids are able to consume the information, as long as they're not forced to remember the absolutely useless information of it and focus on the actual point of learning history instead.
Of course it's not to the benefit of individual countries for its citizens to be fully educated, especially when their history consists of taking advantage of the whole world and causing way more misery than the one they're accusing others of.
More importantly, people should take the initiative to self educate and read books in their spare time. It's hard and time consuming, but your opinion honestly doesn't matter much when you don't know what the hell you're talking about and yet feel fully confident about it.