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“He’s doing a good job,” Trump saidabout the Israeli leader. “Biden is trying to hold him back, just so you understand, Biden is more superior to the VP. He’s trying to hold him back, and he probably should be doing the opposite, actually. I’m glad that Netanyahu decided to do what he had to do, but it’s moving along pretty good.”

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[-] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 2 points 54 minutes ago

Disconnection From Reality #29874

[-] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 5 hours ago

What now "genocide" folks?

Still think Trump is the better choice for Palestine and Gaza??

[-] Pilferjinx@lemmy.world 18 points 4 hours ago
[-] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 4 hours ago

Oh I know. It was to call them out.

[-] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

I replied. Feel free to read it.

[-] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

American politics are unanimous on this issue. Biden complained Obama was being too hard on Neyanyahu. All Obama wanted is for Israel to stop bombing the innocent people in Gaza (and he asked Israel to halt building settlements for 3 months). Biden said that Obama was asking for too much and could risk Israel stop listening to the US. We reached this moment BECAUSE of Biden.

Trump sees how Washington is congratulating Biden while it's the liberal college students condemning him. That's a win-win situation in the mind of Republicans. In Trump's mind, bombing Palestine is good because Biden is getting away with it. Trump is saying he can do it better but isn't that what Trump says with everything. Is Trump new to you? Biden set this up.

[-] sweetpotato@lemmy.ml -5 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Rather unfortunate for you that the folks complaining about dnc being 100% complicit and funding the genocide, have never ever claimed that Trump is the better choice.

Also I love the genocide in quotes, really says all you need to know

[-] WolfLink@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 hours ago

It’s not that the claim he’s a better choice, the claim that he’s not a worse choice.

[-] Minarble@aussie.zone 87 points 17 hours ago

If you are an American voter and you sit this one out or vote 3rd party and Trump gets in you are directly supporting escalation and taking whatever little restraint away that Netanyahu is feeling from the USA.

Instead of calls for restraint you will have cheerleading from the sidelines.

[-] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago

I honestly think if you can't be bothered to vote you need to shut the fuck up, not complain and keep your political opinions to yourself. If you're not even gonna vote, shut the fuck up. I don't wanna hear it.

[-] Chapelgentry@lemmynsfw.com 90 points 18 hours ago

C'mon enlightened lefties! Come on and tell me how you won't be voting for genocide and we should follow so the Democrats figure out through losing the election that they should court lefties. Nevermind we get 4 years of, "he's doing a good job" as long as Democrats learn to denounce genocide.

C'mon you fucking cowards, get in here and sell me on how Trump winning helps solve your single issue voting on genocide.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 44 points 18 hours ago

I'm voting for Harris. She shouldn't be supporting genocide and neither should you.

[-] Chapelgentry@lemmynsfw.com 21 points 10 hours ago

Absolutely no disagreement there. I don't condone genocide, and think we should do something about it but I'm not foolish enough to think not voting for the lesser of two evils accomplishes this. We are in agreement.

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[-] errer@lemmy.world 34 points 18 hours ago

This dumb fuck is gaining in the polls.

I just…can’t anymore

[-] usernamesAreTricky@lemmy.ml 33 points 17 hours ago

Keep in mind that the polls right now are also being flooded with right wing aligned groups

https://flood-watch.vercel.app/

[-] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 8 points 13 hours ago

Yeah, polls much like any mathematics based discipline are susceptible to garbage in garbage out. You can have the perfect model but if the raw data put into it is shit then all youll get out of it is shit.

[-] N0body@lemmy.dbzer0.com 92 points 21 hours ago

it’s quite different from Trump’s bombastic rhetoric: He has repeatedly said that Israel has to “finish the job.” The former president’s Friday comments appear to be an attempt to paint Biden, and by extension, Harris, as being less supportive of Israel than him

Trump wants genocide escalated and completed on a faster timetable. If you don’t think that includes the West Bank in the long-term plan, you’re being naive.

Biden is trying to get a ceasefire deal from a madman. Harris needs to win the election and can’t if Israel turns against her. Trump actively wants to commit accelerated genocide on Palestinians.

Anyone who is pro-Palestinian and is thinking about voting for Trump needs to be aware of the long-term consequences.

Anyone who is pro-Palestinian and is thinking about voting for Trump needs to be aware of the long-term consequences.

*Anyone who is pro-Palestine and is thinking about not voting or voting for anyone other than Harris, just to be clear.

The foundational lesson of the trolley problem is not about the effects of the two options, it's that not pulling the lever is a choice too.

Third-party voters, I know the psychological reaction to being told you "have to" vote for Harris causes you to dig in further, to be more contrarian. I know the feeling. So to be clear, you don't have to do anything. But we can't escape the ethical and moral effects of a choice not to mitigate harm. The dominos are lined up, pushing the one that says "Stein" or "No choice" will cause the one that says "Trump" to fall, it's as simple as that. Our moral culpability doesn't end at the ballot box, it ends at the end of rational foreseeability.

The right takes an oversimplified view of reality to avoid confronting complicated truths. Don't be the same by thinking if we ignore a difficult moral choice, it goes away. Trump is telling you what he plans to do. Stopping him is a moral imperative if you want to save as much life as possible.

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