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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by dessalines@lemmy.ml to c/announcements@lemmy.ml

This is an opportunity for any users, server admins, or interested third parties to ask anything they'd like to @nutomic@lemmy.ml and I about Lemmy. This includes its development and future, as well as wider issues relevant to the social media landscape today.

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[-] Menu@slrpnk.net 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Right now, instances with transphobic and racist content like exploding-heads are still listed on join-lemmy.org. Are you planning to implement a Server Convenant like on joinmastodon.org? To be listed on joinmastodon.org, an instance needs “Active moderation against racism, sexism, homophobia and transphobia”.

[-] nutomic@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago

The instance list is fine as is. Think about it like this: do you want racists to join a single instance so they are all in one place? Or do you want them to spread across all different instances, causing moderation problems everywhere?

[-] BuddyTheBeefalo@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's possible that anti-racist, queer or any other serious organisations might not want to link to join-lemmy.org because of it.

[-] nutomic@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

Thats fine, they can provide their own list of instances where users can choose from.

[-] Menu@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They are on your list (which is seen as the official one by many and has most visits) to guide transphobes and fascists to their fitting community?? Exploding-heads is not labeled as transphobe and fascist on join-lemmy. So that does't make sense.

[-] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago

i would rather want the racists to not be able to go anywhere at all

[-] nutomic@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago

It doesnt really matter what you want. The software is open source so anyone can use the software freely. No way to prevent it.

[-] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago

yea sure there will always be racist instances but they shouldn't be promoted on sites like join-lemmy.org

[-] Menu@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 year ago

Yes, I think it would be best if they would all gather on one instance that can get defederated. Right now they attract users on join-lemmy with "Use humor and facts to hold the ruling class accountable", no other info.

[-] Gaywallet@beehaw.org 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

And if the racist is here to cause problems rather than commiserate with fellow racists, they now know exactly which community to avoid, thus restoring moderation problems everywhere. I don't think anyone is asking you to moderate every instance to ensure they are sticking to your TOS or your viewpoints, but it's a very minor ask to not showcase off the racists and transphobes and bigots on the 'join this platform' page.

[-] nutomic@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago

There are plenty of other instance lists across the internet. So its not even a real solution for your theoretical problem.

[-] Gaywallet@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I don't think the people raising this as a concern are trying to solve the problem of bigots on the internet; they are just asking for you to change the advertising you provide to remove the bigots from a place of visibility.

[-] nutomic@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

And then we should block lemmygrad, lemmy.world, hexbear and hundreds of other instances? Thats not gonna happen. If you want to block instances, do that on the beehaw side.

[-] Gaywallet@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm not here to proselytize about what we decide to block or not. I'm explaining what the person above is requesting - not a block, but a conscious decision about what shows up on the join-lemmy list.

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