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I don't have a good outlook on psychology as a field. It's all influenced by people for leverage and different countries can't even agree on what qualifies as what (e.g. the definition for social anxiety in one country could be considered the definition for agoraphobia in another). But I think watching Simon Whistler give a very debunked rundown on psychology ten years into his career was the last straw for me this week. Misrepresenting psychology has very annoying implications and it gets tiring to see it done over and over.

To use one example, he mentions the former Axis Power officers in WWII saying they were "just following orders", which led to the highly rigged Stanford Prison Experiment, which has never been able to be replicated with the same results. Why? They rigged it, some say to support those officers. Here is an instance where history clashes with psychology, because near the end of WWII, German officers started recruiting and enslaving the Jews they were capturing to do the very dirty work they previously inflicted on them. Did these poor souls succumb to the wickedness like the Stanford Prison Experiment and the officers who inspired it would suggest in court? No, they were traumatized and went insane, because this was not in their nature.

Modern psychology is littered with these false rules and expectations. I'm sure many of you have heard a number of them. Maybe you remember the Milgram Experiment or Stockholm Syndrome for example. So let's play a game. Look back into your life. Think of all the things you've experienced and how it all played out. Out of all these experiences, which ones can you talk about that you can point to and say "if conventional psychology was right, this event in my life would've never happened how it did?

Example: There is a rule in the field of psychology called the Prisoner's Dilemma. It says that if you question two people a certain way, they will be incentivized to spill beans and betray each other. Me and a friend were once arrested because he got into a fight because someone cheated on his sister and I sped him away. The officers tried inflicting the Prisoner's Dilemma on us, but we're both open books, to the point where we knew the whole point was we were willing to face whatever comes. The cops had nothing. They let us free.

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[-] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 day ago

My homie. That ain't how psychology works. It just isn't. No single experiment, study, or set of data can be taken by itself. Nor can it be applied in isolation.

People seem to forget that. They'll latch onto one part of a given field and think it must apply in all cases, every time. The only fields that approach that degree of certainty and can have pieces work in isolation from the rest of the body of knowledge are physics and math. Even there, nothing is 100% able to be isolated for every use case.

The social sciences have added layers of difficulty because they attempt to ology subjects that are not reliably able to be pinned down at all. Psychology in particular is an ever evolving set of current understanding coupled with current best practices.

"Conventional psychology" would never point to any event and say "this is exactly why that happened". It can't because a single specific event is nothing more than one point of data. You have to have the entirety of a person's experiences and actions to even start pointing at causation, and it won't apply to the next person with any reliability.

Psychology, as a field, is just the best tool we have to make choices, it isn't a magic wand.

[-] Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 day ago

The Prisoner's Dilemma is a game theoretic concept, not a psychology experiment, and cops use it all the time to successfully get suspects to rat each other out or provide confessions in exchange for certain plea deals.

[-] Please_Do_Not@lemm.ee 8 points 1 day ago

I don't want to kill my dad or fuck my mom...

[-] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Well obviously that just shows that you’ve successfully sublimated those urges. /s

[-] stinky@redlemmy.com 2 points 1 day ago

Society: drug addicts are bad people, they shouldn't be allowed to have spending money, or freedom, or voting rights

Me: many drug addicts are struggling with painful life circumstances that make active addiction preferable to--

Society: endless string of slurs

Me: please let me finish--

Society: slurs

this post was submitted on 06 Jan 2025
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