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Amazon CEO Andy Jassy warns remote workers: 'It's probably not going to work out for you'::Amazon CEO Andy Jassy told employees who defy his edict to return to the office three days a week that "it's probably not going to work out for you."

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[-] SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 303 points 1 year ago

Jassy told his employees that he spoke to scores of other CEOs and that “virtually all of them” preferred having their employees back in the office.

CEOs try not to think they're the center of the world, the challenge.

[-] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 202 points 1 year ago

"Should workers be subjected to pointless and dehumanizing drudgery that serves no practical purpose? Find out what this panel of five overpaid CEOs think, after the break."

[-] LetMeEatCake@lemm.ee 149 points 1 year ago

In other unbiased polling, the wolf spoke to all the other wolves in the pack and they all prefer that the sheep be eaten.

[-] 3laws@lemmy.world 59 points 1 year ago

In similar fashion, an unprecedented unanimous vote was casted by all the worm hunting birds: worms should not live underground.

[-] Touching_Grass@lemmy.world 74 points 1 year ago

Workers should unionize. I don't know if its better but I know it's something they hate

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[-] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 39 points 1 year ago

I spoke with virtually all of the workers, and none of them want to pay rent. Yet here we are.

CEOs can get bent through a videocall

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[-] AlexWIWA@lemmy.ml 186 points 1 year ago

Maybe tech workers will finally unionize

[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 65 points 1 year ago

Nah, we're still high on our own farts to realise they can turn foul rather quickly.

[-] 3laws@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago

It's not looking good for programers in particular.

The reason why the can get paid as much as they want is 100% based on you being able to jump ship form company to company without having to wait for a company to find common ground between you and them through a union.

Sure, they'll still be hugely compensated but tech companies will keep abusing interns, freelancers. Obviously outsourcing will explode even more than it already has in the last 10 years.

[-] AlexWIWA@lemmy.ml 56 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

True, but that's why you do a trade union instead of a company union. And programmers have a lot to gain. These companies, shareholders, and CEOs rake in billions that could be going to employees.

A programmer will make a feature that saves the company a million dollars and they'll get paid $100,000 to build it.

Now is the best time for programmers to unionize. Do it when you already have leverage to make sure the good times stay good. Otherwise, we'll eventually be as replaceable as drafters are now.

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[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I don't buy it. This isn't the only mechanism, probably not even the most important one, for why salaries are where they are. Shortage of and especially of highly competent programmers is. In fact this actually underpins why jumping ship is even as easy as it is. Uninionization will provide additional leverage, while not diminishing the shortage pressure. Part of the point is that this leverage can substitute the leverage we have due to the current shortage, if and when it diminishes.

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[-] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 26 points 1 year ago

Too many libertarians in tech. Will never happen.

Source. In tech. Not libertarian.

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[-] doorstop@infosec.pub 20 points 1 year ago

I wish. A union could have easily prevented this.

[-] lemmyseizethemeans@lemmygrad.ml 168 points 1 year ago

It's the commercial real estate mortgage backed securities market. If everyone doesn't pay office rent the collateralized debt of those places goes kaput, the security implodes like 2008 and the banking industry goes under.

These CEOs are all invested. They don't care about productivity, it's all about saving their investments.

[-] littlewonder@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago

Aww darn. Thoughts and prayers for the banks and the investors. /s

[-] SouthEndSunset@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago

Maybe they should be better business men and should have foreseen this.

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[-] 1984@lemmy.today 162 points 1 year ago

The mentality of these people are like slave owners.

[-] CaptainAniki@lemmy.flight-crew.org 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's all the same families. The American Oligarchy.

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[-] skankhunt42@lemmy.ca 111 points 1 year ago

Amazon employees who refused to relocate near main offices of their teams were told they either have to find a new job internally or leave the company through a “voluntary resignation.”

How dumb does he think people are? This just makes me angry because they're probably going to get away with it too.

[-] makar94@lemmy.dbzer0.com 57 points 1 year ago

Why would you quit? Continue working from home while lining up a new job. Or, if they don't specify how long you have to be in on those 3 days, just clock in and go back home an hour later. Game the system, make it work for you. They do.

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[-] BreakDecks@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 year ago

lmao, "voluntary resignation" is hilarious. If you plan to purge everyone who won't relocate, you're gonna have to do a layoff. This isn't one of those layoffs that will impress investors, because it won't represent efficiency or cost savings, but instead corporate dysfunction.

If your workers aren't voluntarily relocating to return to the office, they're certainly not going to voluntarily forfeit their unemployment benefits by quitting. They'll just stop working and wait for the pink slip.

Unless they plan to attach a severance more valuable that unemployment benefits to the resignation, they're fucking dreaming. Even so, that would be a hilarious misstep to offer Amazon employees a voluntary paid exit, because it would undoubtedly result in an unsustainable wave of resignations across the org.

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[-] vagrantprodigy@lemmy.whynotdrs.org 106 points 1 year ago

More likely that it doesn't work out for Jassy. Certain Amazon units are underperforming under his leadership, and I wouldn't be shocked if his time at Amazon didn't last that much longer.

[-] nodsocket@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago

You can only artificially raise the price of real estate for so long.

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[-] db2@sopuli.xyz 104 points 1 year ago
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[-] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 100 points 1 year ago

That's a really nice way of threatening to take away the livelihood and health insurance of people doing work for you.

[-] TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

Today's workers are too nice...

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[-] Nath@aussie.zone 77 points 1 year ago

Given how many millions of people must have used Amazon to order stuff to work from home over the past 3+ years, this is a really weird position to hold. You'd think this guy would be all about everyone kitting out their home office spaces.

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[-] mlong99@lemm.ee 48 points 1 year ago

A voluntary resignation? Good luck with that!

[-] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 1 year ago

“Yes, I assure you they voluntarily resigned. They tried to resist it but we forced it on them.”

[-] arsenyv@lemmy.world 46 points 1 year ago

The brain drain is real. Wonder how long before this boomer policy hurts Andy's precious shareholders.

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[-] dx1@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago

I've gotten so much recruitment crap from Amazon. This kind of crap is why none of those worked out for them.

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[-] meatuchu@lemm.ee 32 points 1 year ago

I think my favorite part of the Amazon RTO is the fact that there are many offices that charge you to park there

[-] Fades@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

When I worked in an office I had to pay for parking in addition to paying for gas and wear and tear, ALLLLLLLL so I could have the very valuable experience of working in an open concept office that is perpetually loud and distracting

But yeah… wfh is totally bad for productivity… give me a fucking break

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[-] bfg9k@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago

Remote Workers warn Amazon CEO Any Jassy: 'Working for a tyrant is probably not going to work out for us."

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[-] HakFoo@lemmy.sdf.org 36 points 1 year ago

And also start the compensated-hours clock the moment I step into the car. We're giving you eight hours a day, not 12 now.

[-] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 20 points 1 year ago

Gonna need a hot lunch provided, laundry on-site, dog walkers, child care, a gym and a space where I can play guitar when I'm on a break

Oooh you wanted me to give all that up for nothing? In that case you can get bent, get fucked, roll over and get fucked again. I left three jobs over RTO mandates. Every time I left it was for more money. Now I'm at a place that doesn't even have an office, just Google meet and a PO box for physical mail.

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[-] Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 26 points 1 year ago

This is readily admitting he's about to do what's called Constructive Dismissal!

Which means he will owe all remote workers their severance pay.

[-] Xianshi@lemm.ee 25 points 1 year ago
[-] nbafantest@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

I was looking at some of the Amazon postings near me, but they're all down in Irvine.

Pretty much the entire talents pool of LA is off limits to Amazon now.

[-] AnyProgressIsGood@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

As the planet burns down they think it's a great idea to force more fossil fuels usage so they can feel important

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[-] obinice@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

You know what's probably not going to work out for you, Andy Jassy? The next proletariat uprising.

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

That's never going to happen.

What really won't work out for him is retention of top talent that values WFH.

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[-] const_void@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago

Nah, I'm fine at home.

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