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Fairphone 5 Launch
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No headphone jack no sale, it makes zero sense not having one
Genuine question, but for the common user, why should a phone have a headphone jack?
Can't speak for everyone but here are the reasons I prefer an actual jack:
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3.5mm headphones are extremely universal and can be used for any audio device. USB-C and Bluetooth headphones cannot
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Bluetooth is extremely inconsistent when paired with multiple devices and often gets disconnected because of competing devices
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I can't charge my phone and listen to USB c headphones at the same time
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Manufacturers claim the removal of the jack was to improve the water resistance. I have never dropped my phone in water and would be willing to risk it.
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I already have too many wireless things to charge
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I have a small stockpile of broken wireless headphones. Meanwhile my 10 year old wired headphones are collecting dust
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I have never lost something more often than that tiny ass USB to 3.5mm dongle adapter
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I distrust large corporations with incentive to get consumers to buy more stuff from them
Don't forget Bluetooth has absolutely shit audio quality while using the microphone with how it handles call audio (although I'm praying BLE audio fixes this). Also true wireless earbuds can't compare at all to wired earbuds microphones in the slightest.
Well TBH, I have been exclusively using Bluetooth headsets for like 7 years now and I've had a good experience with that.
I would recommend either big clamshells (I use a rather expensive but awesome Bose 700) or necklace designs like my LG tone 800 hbs headsets (I got like 4 of those over the years). I bought a pair of extremely expensive Sony WM-1000XM 4 that suck donkey balls for a long list of reasons, but not Bluetooth.
Barring some connection issues sometimee, Bluetooth is really quite nice and allows me to walk around freely. I haven't missed the jack plugs ever, really.
Genuinely, good for you. I don't want to switch to something more expensive, that probably wheighs more on the environment (batteries tend to do that), that I'll lose more easily, that can catch connecticity issues, that force me to turn on bluetooth... And that's okay we just have different priorities. What bugs me is only yours ever seem to be catered to nowadays, even though mine don't seem particularly rare and you can ignore jack plugs easier than I can listen to music while plugged on my external battery
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Manufacturers claim the removal of the jack was to improve the water resistance. I have never dropped my phone in water and would be willing to risk it.
Let us not forget that S7 and S7 Edge had headphone jack and were waterproof.
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Your point is generally well taken, but your first point about 3.5 mm jacks being universal isn’t really true any more. It’s nearly impossible to find a device these days with a 3.5 mm audio Jack. It sucks but it’s true.
Only if we're talking about phones. My computer, work laptop, steamdeck, and my monitor all have audio out via 3.5mm jack.
I have a speaker set and a pair of headphones, and I can mix and match when and where I want to use them, which is great.
I hope removal of headphone jacks stays limited to phones (and reverses course eventually)
Other than the 3.5mm still being universal basically everywhere except for phones, it's also universal in a purist physical sense.
Any old piece of scrap copper wire connected to a 3.5mm jack, wrapped vaguely into a coil, and placed next to something magnetic, should form a working speaker compatible with the 3.5mm jack. It won't sound hi-fi, but it will work, because unlike Bluetooth or USB-C where you have to read hundreds of pages of standards and do a bunch of engineering just to figure out how to understand the signal, the signal in the 3.5mm jack basically is the sound.
This has direct practical implications as well: The transparent simplicity vs opaque complexity is why wired headphones can be so cheap and yet so reliable, or as hi-fi as your DAC and the speaker cone will allow, whereas Bluetooth devices are comparatively expensive, a mess to connect, fragile, bandwidth-limited, and environmentally and ethically dubious.
Bluetooth, and even USB-C, is basically black magic— Which wouldn't be so bad, except that it's also glitchy black magic. And this remains true regardless of device availability, because it's determined by the physics of the technology itself is implemented.
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....to plug headphones in. How is this a genuine question?
People still use their phones to listen to music and wireless earphones are almost universally garbage, require charging, and produce insane amounts of e-waste. Wired headphones don't have these issues
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For headphones.
USB-C dongles are notoriously prone to breaking and also are another bunch of silicon and plastic that contributes to e-waste pollution.
though truth be told, most phone 3.5mm outputs suck donkey balls because of massive output impedance and signal to noise ratio on sensitive headphones (of which most portable audio devices are) and companies should be ashamed of putting these hunks of shit in their phones.
Cars with wired input. More reliable than Bluetooth and not annoying when it connects when you don't want to.
Fairphone do sell a type c to 3.5mm adapter you can use. Or just grab a cheap one off somewhere online.
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To have a convenient cheap set of earbuds that keep working, never need any charging nor can be lost.
You can find those everywhere for like 5€, if you don't get them for free with certain devices.
I still have a couple laying around that have never been used.
I don't get battery operated devices for things that don't stray further than 1 meter from the device they are connected to.
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No headphone jack on this type of device is unreal. I am still using my AKG Earbuds I got with my S8 which are now 5 years old. Meanwhile ask the first gen Airpod consoomers how they are doing.
Exactly. I still cannot fathom why a company which prides itself on sustainability ditch the headphone jack. Granted, I don't use the one on my phone often, but I'm very glad that it's there when I need it.
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I'm gonna buy it. Since it's gonna be my first Fairphone and first phone I'll buy new; I'm excited :)
I just wish they made Fairbuds XL in those new colors (I mean blue and translusive)
Fairbuds. The most important reason I will not support this model. Forcing me into their ecosystem by removing the headphone jack should not be what this company stands for. It is literally against their philosophy.
Bring back the jack.
If they do, we are talking again.
Although I agree with you that the headphone jack should be brought back, I dont think it's fair to say they're forcing you into their ecosystem.
Apple making apple watches only work with iPhones is forcing you into their ecosystem, but with this phone you can use any Bluetooth headphones.
OK, that's fair.
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700€
Yeah that's the biggest turnoff for me personally, it sucks how we are always expected to pay a fat premium for something more sustainable. There should be some small government subsidies for phones like these, just like there are on e-bikes and EVs in many countries.
Well, if they actually ensure fair wages for as many people in production as possible, that's just what a phone of this caliber should cost.
Idk, the word price premium sounds more like an arbitrary and baseless increase to me, which this (hopefully) isn't.
There's a lot more that needs to happen, obviously. Because 700 bucks is a lot of money for many people either way, fair or not.
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OLED. I'm sold. Well, whenever my current phone dies, but then I'm sold.
It is not that Fairphones are expensive.
It is that every other phone is made by slave labour, which makes them inexpensive.
Also every other phone is priced at the point of you buying a new device in 3 years anyway because the battery is glued in while the FP should have a far longer lifecycle
Is that alot? Mybe im out of touch but most flagships cost 1k+ iirc
700 is cheap. Especially considering the hardware, the fact that i can repair it myself with ease. You should watch jerryrigeverything's video tearing it down. Its insane how easy it is to replace any part. The screen comes off the front and has 1 cable connecting it and can be replaced for 100 €.
People complaining about the cost of a phone that was made in a way that is not only sustainable but also paid 3veryone involved at least a living wage (more than minimum) is something we should all be happy to pay more for. The fact that any major company can make phones of this quality for less is because they pay their workers less than minimum wage (if anything at all), outsource everything to 3rd world countries and exploit their workers.
If that means nothing to you then you are probably a capitalist or just too immoral to care, in which case, who gives a shit what you think.
Sorry thats not directed at you, just people who hear all that and still dont even consider changing their mindset around this.
What phone have you bought recently that will be updated/supported for 8 years and comes with a 5 year warranty? My last 5 phones have come with a 1 to 2 year warranty and fall out of support the following year when the next model comes out. But im stuck with them for 3 years because of a contract i locked myself into.
I am doing some research and strongly feeling like i might make this my next phone and maybe i wont need to upgrade it for a long long time. That sounds nice.
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6.46 inch display is too big for me. I'm desperate to find something with a 6" screen but it seems 6.1" appears to be the size most manufacturers are going for.
This phone looks like something I could dig though.
I have the Z fold. I love the big screens!
I don't mind big screens but they are hard to use with one hand and in the pocket they are too big.
I didn't realise it until later on in its life, but the Pixel 5 was the perfect phone size for me. I hear the Pixel 8 is going to be smaller but the rumor is it has a 6.1" display.
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About warranty
Informative, and unfortunate.
I hope it gets a US release with antenna designed for US networks
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Did they at least use their own keys when signing the operating system this time? I like what they're doing creating a fairer supply chain and all, but the software side keeps being neglected. So much so I'm regretting my purchase of the fairphone 4 and instead wish I had gotten a phone which placed more significance to the security of the OS installed.
Would you be able give me more details of the issues faced in your previous phone?
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Hopefully in the years to come they'll slowly reduce the size of the phone. 162mm tall is just too big for comfortable single hand usage.
Hmm.. worth a thought
So, can I use their camera app on a custom rom, and retain access to all the features of all the lenses/cameras?
Would be a shame to lose all that.
This actually looks pretty nice. I'm going to need something to replace my OnePlus 6T when it eventually needs replacing. Shame there's no smaller version though.
It already has an entry on the postmarketos wiki https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Fairphone_5_(fairphone-fp5)
Does anyone have an idea if there is a chance that the FP5 will work better on Linux than the FP4? If it gets on par with the OP6 but with a functional camera I will buy this phone in a heartbeat.
The processer looks good, since it has Linux support, but usually it's the device drivers that are the real problem.
Will it ever come to US?
Fairphone 4 is sold and supported in the NA by Murena (maker of /e/OS):
- https://murena.com/america/shop/smartphones/brand-new/murena-fairphone-4/
- https://murena.com/america/products/spare-parts/
I hope at some point they will carry Fairphone 5 as well.
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this post was submitted on 30 Aug 2023
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