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[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 132 points 1 year ago

The world will never recover until poverty is seen not as a character flaw, but as a failure of society itself to provide for the most vulnerable.

[-] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They wouldn't be vulnerable if they just overcame their own biology and lifetime of trauma. Its that simple, they arent trying hard enough.

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[-] yewler@lemmygrad.ml 31 points 1 year ago

My freaking God. I volunteered at a local charity org a bit this summer and one of the first things they told us in orientation was that "most people think that poverty is about what people lack. But it's actually a mindset." That pissed me the heck off not gonna lie.

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

Was it a religious charity org? Those ones are often condescending assholes like that..

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[-] Zehzin@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

That's the ticket. The most hardworking people I've ever met are also some of the poorest.

[-] BB69@lemmy.world 91 points 1 year ago

I don’t think anybody thinks that.

[-] Kichae@kbin.social 61 points 1 year ago

Not explicitly, maybe, but implicitly, absolutely, and in multiple ways:

  • Supporting the system that creates one over the other
  • Having 'bootstrap' attitudes about the poor
  • Worrying about property value over utilization
  • Complaining about the homeless rather than the lack of action on housing
  • Voting against people who run on public housing

In so, so many ways, people say they prefer the latter over the former. Usually just with the caveat that the homeless people also be invisible.

[-] Goodbyeworld@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

Maybe we should institute a tax on underutilized land in metro areas.

[-] Zoboomafoo@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Land Value Tax 👀

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[-] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 32 points 1 year ago

In the United States at least, your local government's public hearings for new housing developments kinda begs to differ.

People will demand the homeless be eliminated from their area while simultaneously opposing development of housing or shelters for the homeless in their area.

So maybe you're right though: they don't hate the apartments more, they simply can't make up their mind on which they hate more.

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[-] spread@programming.dev 79 points 1 year ago

I hate how when there is any picture of Soviet blocks it's always shot in autumn or winter when it's overcast. I live in an ex Soviet country and when these bad boys are maintained they can outperform new apartments, be it in functionality, amenities or price.

[-] Dirk@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago

always shot in autumn or winter when it’s overcast.

To me this adds a lot to the charm. I'd love to live there (at least for some time)!

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[-] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one 45 points 1 year ago

I'd gladly live in one of those apartments in the first picture if it meant that everyone could have a home

[-] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago

I’d gladly walk my ass out to the wilderness rather than live in an apartment block, but at least then there’d be an extra spot.

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[-] Nurgle@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is kinda like saying we need more farms to solve hunger.

The cost of housing is very detached from supply. For rentals, companies bought up housing and just jacked up the price, because renters are a semi captive client base.

New construction sometimes doesn’t even help, when developers knocks down an old affordable 12 unit apartment building and build a luxury 36 unit building, you’ve created -12 units of affordable housing.

Even for home buyers, they’re facing a major up hill battle going against existing home owners who have access to the capital of their current homes, and even worse corporate home buyers.

This isn’t to say supply isn’t an issue and we can ignore it, but we need to stop housing from just being an investment vehicle. Otherwise we’re just going to get garbage housing at prices no one can afford.

[-] kameecoding@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

it's not detached from supply at all, single house zoning and mandatory minimum parking make for a whole lot of trouble in the US

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[-] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 33 points 1 year ago

I understand the point. But France has done this and ended up with giant ghettos filled with si much crime that no emergency services whatsoever go there anymore.

In the US, they built giant housing projects like this where poverty was concentrated and the same thing happened. Crime installed itself in those projects and these neighbourhoods became dangerous ghettos.

Picture 1 is not the solution you think you want.

The condo building where I live is not so big. And it was built with 25% dedicated to social housing where poor families and underpaid workers can live comfortably in an apartment unit as big as my condo unit, which I paid nearly $400k CAD, for the price of about $650 CAD per month. This allows them to integrate with everyone else and live with everyone else and near where all the jobs are.

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[-] paddytokey@sh.itjust.works 28 points 1 year ago

Capitalism has you thinking that these are our only options

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[-] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 28 points 1 year ago

Don't worry, they've outlawed homelessness. Problem solved!

[-] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 year ago

Literally though. And there's a whole practice of hostile architecture that makes it harder and more uncomfortable to be homeless.

[-] Obi@sopuli.xyz 19 points 1 year ago

The point of hostile architecture isn't to solve homelessness, just to send them to the next block/town over (not saying you don't understand that, just pointing it out).

[-] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 year ago

I wonder if hostile architecture also kills people. Increasing exposure to cold and reducing opportunities to rest doesn't seem good for your chances for survival. I guess that would solve homelessness, but in the worst most morbid way possible.

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[-] FluffyPotato@lemm.ee 27 points 1 year ago

The USSR didn't do much good but those apartment buildings are definitely good. I used to live in a soviet apartment building and the funny thing about that was that every wall was a load bearing wall since all of them could hold up everything. They were thick as hell and fully concrete.

[-] monk@lemmy.unboiled.info 24 points 1 year ago

Every wall was a wall and not a cardboard decoration of a wall

FTFY. Not all of them were load-bearing, mind you, they were just proper walls made of wall.

[-] FluffyPotato@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago

I'd say those were made from at least 3 walls worth of wall.

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[-] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Okay, I just went from "eh, commie blocks are gross but better than tents" to "fuck all the other apartments, bring on the commie blocks". Buildings in the US are built so ridiculously cheaply that in a lot of lower-rent buildings you can hear everything.

[-] FluffyPotato@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago

Commie blocks do have some issues like absolutely awful electrical wiring or lack of insulation but a lot of ex soviet countries renovate those buildings which leaves no downsides.

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[-] cynetri@midwest.social 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

never fails to amaze me how "progressive" types do a complete 180 as soon as someone mentions solving the homeless problem by giving them homes

edit: i rest my case

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 21 points 1 year ago

I don't think "progressives" have any issue with housing the homeless. The issue is where.

Go to a conservative (or indeed any) neighbourhood and tell them you'll be building 200 apartments nearby to house rough sleepers, see how that goes down.

Most homeless are invisible to us anyway. They hold down jobs, they have gym memberships, they just sleep in their car, or on a mate's sofa every so often. Nobody would have a problem with them moving in nearby.

It's the aggressive beggars, addicts, and shitting in shop doorways (and these three are the same person) that nobody wants anywhere near them. These are who most people think of when they hear the word "homeless". Most of them need more treatment than just a roof. We don't have enough of that either.

I've no issue with my taxes helping all these people. I'm happy to pay tax to reduce the chances of me personally being robbed by somebody in desperate poverty.

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[-] someguy3@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 year ago

I don't get people that have such a visceral reaction to apartments (the horror). What they write is frantically hilarious how they think. Right up there with what they write about transit (ohhh noooo) and electric stoves [sobbing noises].

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[-] lowleveldata@programming.dev 12 points 1 year ago

Who is this society guy? He sounds stupid

[-] ReakDuck@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago

Not sure why or from where this quote comes from. In germany and poland we have many such apartment houses that are very affordable

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