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This is why people use Windows (lemmy.world)

submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by _I_@lemmy.world to c/linux@lemmy.ml

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Please fucking explain why this is a problem. I have a folder with movies on an external HDD. I want to move them to a different subfolder. The first twenty worked fine without any issues - as expected. Then I get this error, and it doesn't tell me why in a human language that can be understood by humans.

So, I'll go ahead and ask here. Do any of you have any idea wtf this is? I'm on Fedora 38.

EDIT: Wait, it has actually moved some of the folders and files that it tells me it can't move. So now it's basically copied the files....??

EDIT 2: Not to be a dick, but I think I'll boot into Win 11 and see if it handles it any better. BRB!

EDIT: 3: LOL, Windows moved the shit without any questions. Now you know what I meant with the TITLE.

EDIT 4: And as expected, the community did not like that their God OS failed at such a simple task. As a Linux (Debian) user for 16 years, and a current Fedora user, this is proper cringe - but also expected.

EDIT 5: I'm so sorry for the actual adults around here who try to help, but it looks like Reddit has indeed arrived.

EDIT 6: Lemmy in a nutshell? Actually a bigger echo chamber than Reddit? How ironic.

EDIT 7: This is my blog now

EDIT 8: So I had a sandwich, it was pretty good, but need more salt

EDIT 9: Pretty sure I just invented a new type of Twitter

EDIT 10: Got a cease and desist from Musk, he must feel threatened by all the hate in here. He offered to buy it.

EDIT 11: The Net (1995) A computer programmer stumbles upon a conspiracy, putting her life and the lives of those around her in great danger.

EDIT 12: Whoever owns "Edit.com", reach out to me. I think I've got something

EDIT 13: "Most Hated Person on C/Linux Right Now AMA"

EDIT 14: This thread is now sponsored by Nestlé.

EDIT 15: Angy! ME SO ANGY!

EDIT 16: I use Arch, btw

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[-] TimeSquirrel@kbin.social 75 points 1 year ago

What in the fully chronicled psychotic breakdown is happening here?

[-] judas@lemmy.ca -5 points 1 year ago

Not sure, Daniel.

[-] judas@lemmy.ca -3 points 1 year ago

Daniel is such an idiot, linking his real fucking name to Lemmy 😂

[-] HyonoKo@lemmy.ml 73 points 1 year ago

People use Windows because it comes preinstalled when they buy their computers.

[-] mateomaui@reddthat.com 3 points 1 year ago

Not always.

[-] HyonoKo@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago

Agree, but I feel the majority of Windows users would have just adapted to whatever came installed. But what do I know…

[-] mateomaui@reddthat.com 1 points 1 year ago

Sure, but that definitely ignores everyone who builds their own gaming systems starting with an empty hard drive.

[-] HyonoKo@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Ok, I actually forgot that many games only run properly on Windows. Maybe my claim was too simplistic.

[-] mateomaui@reddthat.com 1 points 1 year ago

And things like Adobe Suite, etc, for people required to use that for work, who cannot use a FOSS alternative.

[-] D1G17AL@kbin.social 44 points 1 year ago

14 Edits, talk about cringe.

[-] Imacat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 36 points 1 year ago

That error is saying you’re trying to move/rename the file to a name that’s already being used. Can’t do that on windows either.

That said, I’ve seen some weird issues with bulk file copies in Linux file explorers. Cli usually works better.

[-] CorrodedCranium@leminal.space 31 points 1 year ago

You really seem annoying based off of all those edits.

[-] Gebruikersnaam@lemmy.ml 30 points 1 year ago

Is it an ntfs partition that you opened on Windows? I remember getting an error like that cause Windows does some weird permission things. Other than that I'd try with the command line or a different file manager to try and discover what the error is.

[+] _I_@lemmy.world -16 points 1 year ago

It is indeed NTFS. I use the same HDD between a Fedora and Win 11 dual-boot, then the single HDD is being used by Plex, so no matter if I'm logged into Fedora or Win 11, it'll mount and read the content. It's just acting REALLY weird right now. About half of the content got moved to the new folder, while the rest of them errors out.

[-] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Have you shut down Windows without going through proper restart?

Windows has this really nasty habit of leaving NTFS partitions "dirty" until the next reboot, and fixing them on the fly when it starts. Meanwhile, if Linux is trying to use those partitions it will run into inconsistencies that will cause all kinds of errors.

There's no easy fix for this, other than shutting down Windows properly and hoping it left everything in working order. You can try using ntfsfix on Linux before mounting the partition but it's anybody's guess if it will fix everything.

You can't use another file system because exFAT and FAT are even worse than NTFS, and that's all Windows supports natively.

You can try the other way around and mounting Linux ext4 partitions under Windows using WSL2. I know it can be done, I haven't tried and can't tell you what performance is like.

[-] _I_@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Thank you for a proper reply. That could in fact be the case. I booted into Windows and tried to move all my movies into the folder, and it worked without issues, so I'm not entirely sure what happened in Fedora, but oh well.

[-] wantd2B1ofthestrokes@discuss.tchncs.de 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You were given a lot of proper responses despite your unhinged edit rantings

[-] pancake@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 year ago

One way to see it is that if you tried to use a Linux filesystem on Windows, it would entirely refuse to read it. At least Linux can handle Window's filesystems to a reasonable degree.

[-] codapine@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Nemo on Windows can read extfs partitions better than NTFS plays with Linux. It's more of a problem with proprietary file systems, not the open source file manager trying it's best to reverse engineer the protocol.

When I dual booted, I would just share the extfs partition because it worked the best on both systems, once the extfs driver for Windows was installed.

[-] 20gramsWrench@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 1 year ago

wow, you sperged out quite hard about such a simple problem, I'm glad you will be using windows from now on and won't be hanging around *nix related discussion platforms

[-] Bonehead@kbin.social 24 points 1 year ago

https://linuxpip.org/fix-directory-not-empty-mv/amp/

Like seriously, this was 2 minutes of googling. You're trying to move files to a target that already contains that file name. Just nuke the target directory and retry, or use one of the methods mentioned in the above article.

[-] judas@lemmy.ca -5 points 1 year ago

The Lord booted into God's Operating System, Windows 11 PRO (notice Pro, please) and the movement of stolen goods were completed within seconds. Linux might be better to keep the opposite sex away, but Windows brings it all night. Oh yes.

[-] Bonehead@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago

Ah, so you're just a troll. Got it...

[-] smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Maybe it is problem with NTFS, a filesystem outdated by 20 years that is still the only option on Windows.

Maybe it is problem with permissions.

Maybe it is something else.

But I won't help you, because od your language.

[-] 20gramsWrench@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 year ago

You should switch back to windows, that would fix your problem.

[-] luthis@lemmy.nz 12 points 1 year ago

Pretty sure this is the NTFS windows thing. I have never had this issue when using ext file systems

[-] Hyperreality@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

Have you tried switching it on and off again.

[-] atlasraven31@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Try shutdown now -r

[-] PuppyOSAndCoffee@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

could be a perm issue

[-] TJmCAwesome@feddit.nu 3 points 1 year ago

Use mv

[-] joshix@fosspri.de 3 points 1 year ago

@_I_ what file manager are you using and how are you moving the files?

[-] resketreke@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Love that movie.

[-] Skunk@jlai.lu 1 points 1 year ago

Great edits ! I’m glad those worked, unlike your movie file name.

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