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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by Kalcifer@lemm.ee to c/lemmy@lemmy.ml

I believe that the addition of an edit history would be a massive boon to the usefulness of Lemmy on the whole. A common problem with forums is the relatively low level of trust that users can have in another's content. When one has the ability to edit their posts, and comments this invites the possibility of misleading the reader -- for example, one can create a comment, then, after gaining likes, and comments, reword the comment to either destroy the usefulness of the thread on the whole, or mislead a future reader. The addition of an edit history would solve this issue.

Lemmy already tracks that a post was edited (I point your attention to the little pencil icon that you see in a posts header in the browser version of the lemmy-ui). What I am describing is the expansion of this feature. The format that I have envisioned is something very similar to what Element does. For example:

What this image is depicting is a visual of what parts of the post were changed at the time that it was edited, and a complete history of every edit made to the post -- sort of like a "git diff".

I would love to hear the feedback of all Lemmings on this idea for a feature -- concerns, suggestions, praise, criticisms, or anything else!


This post is the result of the current (2023-10-03T07:37Z) status of this GitHub post. It was closed by a maintainer/dev of the Lemmy repo. I personally don't think that the issue got enough attention, or input, so I am posting it here in an attempt to open it up to a potentially wider audience.

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[-] Dave@lemmy.nz 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Editing a post may be to remove the password or email address you accidentally copy pasted in, or removing some potentially doxxing information, or one of many reasons you want that content gone. Github has edit history, but it also allows users to delete revisions so it seems your main concern would not be resolved by this implementation.

And as you point out, there is already a message that says the post was edited and what time.

Overall I don't see that the benefits outweigh the new issues caused.

[-] Schmeckinger@feddit.de 4 points 1 year ago

You could make it so there is a checkbox for deleting the edit history, so only the fact that it has been edited remains.

[-] density@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

To draw attention to an edit, for example to correct an erroneous statement, use a combination of strikethrough and bold (or italic if more appropriate):

Joe Hill, who wrote songs about union organizing, was framed and ~~hung~~ executed by firing squad by the state of Utah in 1915.

Joe Hill, who wrote songs about union organizing, was framed and ~~hung~~ **executed by firing squad** by the state of Utah in 1915.

[-] Dave@lemmy.nz 2 points 1 year ago

OP's argument is that people can hide that they have edited. While I'm not against the suggestion, it wouldn't solve the original problem.

[-] Kalcifer@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

This one actually isn't so bad. If a person opts out of their edit history being shown, at least this would be a sort of red flag for the reader that should trigger skepticism in the content's trustworthiness. That being said, it would still be inferior to having a mandatory edit history.

[-] Kalcifer@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Editing a post may be to remove the password or email address you accidentally copy pasted in, or removing some potentially doxxing information, or one of many reasons you want that content gone.

Why not just delete the post, and then make a new one with the correct information?

Github has edit history, but it also allows users to delete revisions so it seems your main concern would not be resolved by this implementation.

If this were to be allowed, the edit history would then be pointless.

And as you point out, there is already a message that says the post was edited and what time.

That is the only information that is provided. One is unable to find out what was changed.

[-] Dave@lemmy.nz 1 points 1 year ago

Why not just delete the post, and then make a new one with the correct information?

Sure, but then your comment chain doesn't make sense, or if it's a post them you lose all the comments.

If this were to be allowed, the edit history would then be pointless.

I disagree, but I do think it invalidates your reason for having an edit history.

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[-] rikudou@lemmings.world 13 points 1 year ago

Nah, never liked the feature, wouldn't appreciate it here.

Side note, external images can be embedded in markdown like this:

![alt description](https://example.com/cool-image.png)

[-] Kalcifer@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

Nah, never liked the feature, wouldn’t appreciate it here.

Would you mind elaborating on why you feel that way?

Side note, external images can be embedded in markdown like this:

![alt description](https://example.com/cool-image.png)

Thank you for that info! I'll update my post.

[-] rikudou@lemmings.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It adds nothing to the discussion. Use cases where it would have been useful I can count with my fingers. I made many more edits due to typos and brain-farts (that made the sentence look like I just learned English yesterday) than that.

Edit: Also, I'm hosting my own instance (for others as well) and the (unoptimized) storage use is already huge. No need to pay for something I don't really care about.

[-] density@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

also some people did learn english (or whatever language is being used) yesterday and they might notice something confusing about their post after creating it... why let it persist

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[-] echo64@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

It's not something I would care about or ever use. It comes with significant unresolved problems already pointed out, and it mostly just seems like you want it for reasons of idle curiosity or paranoia.

Most importantly, if a lemmy dev already said no, and you aren't willing to do the work, then it's dead, and opening a thread about it isn't a helpful way of fixing that.

[-] Kalcifer@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

It’s not something I would care about or ever use.

I think it's better to look at this not from the perspective of one's own personal gain, but the benefit that it provides to the site on the whole.

It comes with significant unresolved problems already pointed out

Would you mind stating the exact "unresolved problems" that you are referring to?

it mostly just seems like you want it for reasons of idle curiosity or paranoia.

I believe that the feature's existence provides the passive benefit of increasing the average quality of posted content.

Most importantly, if a lemmy dev already said no, and you aren’t willing to do the work, then it’s dead

What's bothersome about that is that the dev didn't just say that they didn't want to work on it, they closed it. I completely understand if the dev doesn't want to work on it personally, but closing it gives one the feeling that future discussion on the topic is not wanted -- not to mention that it also greatly reduces its visibility.

opening a thread about it isn’t a helpful way of fixing that.

No, but I wanted to have more discussion that what was had on GitHub. I figured that posting about it here would yield a much larger audience, and, perhaps, less biased opinions.

[-] echo64@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

What's bothersome about that is that the dev didn't just say that they didn't want to work on it, they closed it. I completely understand if the dev doesn't want to work on it personally, but closing it gives one the feeling that future discussion on the topic is not wanted -- not to mention that it also greatly reduces its visibility.

This is the part where you should recognize that its not a feature they want on lemmy. It doesn't need "more visability", it's their project, and they get to choose what they want to do with it. We just use it as a byproduct of it being free and open.

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[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

Personally I like the idea of that history simply because I have seen people go back and edit their posts, as a form of trolling by getting into an argument with someone, and then changing their posts to completely obfuscate what the argument was about

[-] density@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

I actually don't think it is required to trust people on a forum in the way you suggest.

If I was in what I perceived to be a really high stakes discussion (read: flamewar) where I was worried about this, I would take my own measures to ensure I could "trust" the other parties. I would save my own copies locally. Reddit RES had a button you could add client side for just this kind of petty bullshit. If you really want the feature, implement it in your browser/device.

Really though friend, try to have a bit of a sense of humor and distance from your online posting and interactions with unknown people. If someone is going to such lengths as to edit their post so it looks like you are responding to something else to make you look bad, it is either: a) a boring joke, or b) they are really pathetic and sad trying to sabotage you. Either way, it's not the end of the world. If it sticks in your craw, you can just go edit your comment to say "edit: the comment to which I am replied was substantially edited after I posted so what I said no longer applies". You can either delete what you said, or correct it, or leave it as-is with a caveat.

[-] Kalcifer@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

I actually don’t think it is required to trust people on a forum in the way you suggest.

Why not try to improve it though?

If I was in what I perceived to be a really high stakes discussion (read: flamewar) where I was worried about this, I would take my own measures to ensure I could “trust” the other parties. I would save my own copies locally. Reddit RES had a button you could add client side for just this kind of petty bullshit. If you really want the feature, implement it in your browser/device.

I don't really understand the argument hat you are trying to make. You are admitting that this concern is justified, and that there are scenarious where one could be expected to want to take such measures, but you don't want a feature for this built in. Instead, you'd want a 3rd party plug-in...? I must ask: Why? Also, TIL about Reddit RES. Neat.

If someone is going to such lengths as to edit their post so it looks like you are responding to something else to make you look bad, it is either: a) a boring joke, or b) they are really pathetic and sad trying to sabotage you. Either way, it’s not the end of the world. If it sticks in your craw, you can just go edit your comment to say “edit: the comment to which I am replied was substantially edited after I posted so what I said no longer applies”. You can either delete what you said, or correct it, or leave it as-is with a caveat.

The point that I am trying to make isn't that this is for my own benefit, it is that this sort of behaviour detracts from the quality, and usefulness of the information on this site on the whole. Information shouldn't be purely ephemeral. The reliable exchange of information on forums is invaluable in the modern age. I couldn't even hope to count the number of times that I have gone through old forum posts reading people's opinions, and conversations when conducting research on a topic, or troubleshooting an issue.

[-] density@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

I have been on lots of old forums too. That is irrelevant to this thread. This thread is about the ability to investigate the typos on the old forum posts. How often are you on some phpBB site thinking "this would be so much better if I could see what incorrect information was edited out in 2009."? Nobody fucking cares.

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[-] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

I really appreciated reddit's ninja-edit window, where you had about three minutes to fix typos and grammatical errors without getting the this-was-edited indicator.

The root shortcoming is that changing one letter gets the same flag as replacing the whole comment or adding a wall of text.

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[-] ITypeWithMyDick@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

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