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Is this arguably anticompetitive and illegal?

[-] schwim@reddthat.com 42 points 1 year ago

Nobody can even state that it's actually happening "for competitive browsers" as even Chrome users are reporting an unexplained lag/slowdown. At this point, it's just wild speculation and bandwagoning.

[-] LoafyLemon@kbin.social 106 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You absolutely can tell what's happening by reading the source code. They are using a listener and a delay for when ontimeupdate promise is not met, which timeouts the entire connection for 5 full seconds.

https://pastebin.com/TqjzbqQE

[-] schwim@reddthat.com 17 points 1 year ago

I'm sorry but I don't see how that check is browser-specific. Is that part happening on the browser side?

[-] PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee 29 points 1 year ago

They don't need to put incriminating "if Firefox" statements in their code -- the initial page request would have included the user agent and it would be trivial to serve different JavaScript based on what it said.

[-] phx@lemmy.ca 26 points 1 year ago

Easy enough to test though. Load the page with a UA changer and see if it still shows up when Firefox pretends to be Chrome

[-] TastehWaffleZ@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The video in the linked article does just that. The page takes 5 seconds to load the video, the user changes the UA, they refresh the page and suddenly the video loads instantly. I would have liked to see them change the UA back to Firefox to prove it's not some weird caching issue though

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[-] BolexForSoup@kbin.social 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It’s not wild speculation as there is compelling, if incomplete, evidence. And to describe everyone’s reaction as “bandwagoning” is ridiculous. Firefox and Mullvad are my daily drivers. This directly impacts me. The fediverse is going to have a disproportionate number of non-chrome users.

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[-] blackkn1ght@lemmy.dbzer0.com 167 points 1 year ago

So Alphabet:

  • is the developer the most used browser (chrome) and its open source skeleton (chromium) on which most of all of the other browsers are based on (edge, brave etc)

  • has the most used video platform online, with no close second (unless you count porn, but i'd still argue its not close)

  • has the biggest share of devices relying on its platform worldwide (android)

  • has the most used search engine worldwide.

Alphabet has to be split up. Alphabet alone is deciding what shape internet will take in the future.

[-] HollandJim@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

is the developer the most used browser (chrome) and its open source skeleton (chromium) on which most of all of the other browsers are based on (edge, brave etc)

Which was branched from Apple’s open Webkit base, but let’s all also forget about that.

They take the IP of others, spin it a bit and then block everyone. Burn them down.

[-] nixcamic@lemmy.world 52 points 1 year ago

Acting like Apple didn't do the same thing with khtml to make WebKit.

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[-] DrQuint@lemm.ee 27 points 1 year ago

All of those are meaningless peanuts versus

  • Owns the biggest (borderline only) web ad service in the world
[-] spartanatreyu@programming.dev 12 points 1 year ago

My long bet: The EU will force Google Search + Ads, to separate from Youtube within a decade.

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[-] casmael@lemm.ee 152 points 1 year ago

It’s fucking incredible watching Google change from a fairly well-liked company into essentially fucking Comcast. Fucking incredible.

[-] ArtVandelay@lemmy.world 81 points 1 year ago

Unchecked capitalism is a real motherfucker ain't it?

[-] LarkinDePark@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 1 year ago

See also checked capitalism.

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[-] Dirk@lemmy.ml 99 points 1 year ago

Again? I remember they did this years ago when releasing Chrome.

[-] MudMan@kbin.social 75 points 1 year ago

Incidentally, I dropped Youtube's web app like a rock when they started messing with adblockers and today they emailed me to say they're cutting down features in my account because "I don't have enough of a history".

I swear, these decaying tech firms just don't get the value of not appearing to be flailing in desperation.

[-] sadreality@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago

hey're cutting down features in my account because "I don't have enough of a history".

any idea what this actually means?

What features are they cutting down?

Is this a free account?

[-] e-ratic@kbin.social 22 points 1 year ago

I had the same email, it's creator-related features. So if you don't produce content it shouldn't affect anything

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[-] Endorkend@kbin.social 50 points 1 year ago

All I have left to say about Google and Youtube in particular is that Youtubes ads have become so problematic, both in amount and quality (like seriously, people get banned for using innocuous words in videos targeted at adult audiences, yet completely fucked up ads are squarely targeted at children) and at this point, it's time for YouTube to die.

A new platform needs to come along.

Which will be hard since Google has such a stranglehold on the datacenter and backbone level that they have an absolute advantage when it comes to bandwidth and storage costs. Which is the main cost for video platforms like YouTube.

[-] ElBarto@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago

The only thing stopping a viable replacement for YouTube is the servers, google essentially has an infinite amount of server space, you would have to match them on that, decentralization would help bare the load, but there will become a time when even those servers will need to dramatically expand their server count.

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[-] teft@startrek.website 31 points 1 year ago

The delay also does not trigger just once; it is reportedly triggered every time YouTube links are opened in a new tab.

This part got me yesterday as I was listening to music. I loaded a new video in a tab and the other tab waited 5 seconds. I thought I had paused it or something but nope, every time you load a new tab it delays all the other tabs by 5 seconds.

[-] Wes_Dev@lemmy.ml 29 points 1 year ago

This is the exact reason I don't trust anything hosted online. If it's something I want to enjoy more than once, I download it.

Companies hosting things online tend to become authoritarian dictators in all but name, which is their right as they own the services and hardware. But it almost always makes the end user experience shitty and overly complicated, or filled with spyware, or requires you give away your rights to privacy or lawsuit, etc..

So if there's a song or something that I like online, I'm downloading that and keeping it on my computer to listen to whenever I feel like it. I don't have the time or energy to play games with these greedy ass corporations.

And the ironic part is, that while they would absolutely froth the mouth about me doing this, they're the ones that drove me to it. It feels like an emotionally abusive relationship, are they keep making our just a man some gaslighting me, then getting angry when I fight back or tell them no.

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[-] Something_Complex@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It it legal? I remember when China's tech giants started infighting and the party ended up dividing them and phorbiding them to do so.

They where creating tech exclusive for their devices and internally block all other out.

I just figured if we aren't doing it here there should be a reason. (Apple appart)

Edit:guys what I'm saying matters the orthographic mistakes can be easily attribute to my lack of interest in writing the proper queen's English when any shit will do

[-] pensivepangolin@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago

I’m sorry to be the spelling guy but it’s “forbid” not “phorbid”

[-] Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 year ago

Do you have poor spelling fobia?

[-] fujiwood@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

I’m sorry to be the spelling guy but it’s “phobia” not “fobia”

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[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If it's happening it's not doing so for everyone. I use Firefox and I have never seen this delay.

[-] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago

I haven’t experienced it either, but Google also typically rolls out changes in waves. They rarely just push to prod and call it a day. They push changes in waves, so they can pull the update or make adjustments if the early waves have issues.

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[-] Endorkend@kbin.social 18 points 1 year ago

I suspect this is less of a slowdown and more of a "we're trying to detect adblockers and in Chrome we can do most of this check on the application level which is fast, while on Firefox we have to do it the extra slow way and we CBA to optimize any of it because the delay is to our advantage."

[-] scroll_responsibly@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 1 year ago

Nope, in the article it shows a hard coded 5 second delay.

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[-] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

TBF I've seen a rare behavior in FF that makes some websites load slowly for no good reason (not an adblock thing). Anticompetitive either way but Google could be exploiting this bug.

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[-] j4k3@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Someone should investigate deeply. My combo of a whitelist firewall on an OpenWRT variant and Graphene often has a bandwidth issue that is clearly software related only after watching something from YT. I can stop the apps manually and close everything related to browsing and the connection issue still exists. I can disconnect the internet from my router and the problem still persists. However, if I shutdown all 3 devices for a few minutes and bring them up fresh, the network connection is flawless. Something is running in memory, and I believe it is related to YT, but I lack the skills to break it down further. I like to run an AI server and it is simply useless if anything on the network has connected to YT since booting.

I've also noticed when family is watching YT premium (not something I use) and I am downloading a LLM from HF, the internet bandwidth of our network more than doubles on my wired connection. In between the streaming packets from YT the speed on the download jumps massively. If family is watching YT, I can actually download a LLM faster. That just seems odd to me that those are connected.

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[-] Auzy@beehaw.org 12 points 1 year ago

The worst part is that a Youtube Premium Subscription costs more than Netflix or other streaming providers here in Australia.. And you're basically paying for ad removal of a metric ton of low quality content (and their music service, which isn't as good as others I found)

That being said, this might not be true (I've seen lots of BS online regarding browsers in the past)

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[-] netchami@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago

Use Invidious or Piped in combination with LibRedirect in order to automatically redirect all YouTube links to Invidious or Piped.

[-] Anonymouse@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

I post videos a few times a year to share events with family. I just posted a few yesterday. I can't in good faith continue to post to YT and encourage my family to use it as the platform declares war on their users.

But what else is there that allows me to post videos for free and my family can just watch them without having to install a new app, register for yet another service or configure some obscure plug in?

[-] sheepishly@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago

There's other services, but they're populated largely by the sort of people Youtube has kicked off entirely, which some people don't like.

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