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submitted 1 year ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world

New York lost more residents – and at the largest rate – in 2023 than any other state, despite an overall rise in the U.S. population, according to U.S. Census data.

The bureau released a map showing the percentage change in state populations between July 2022 and July 2023 – New York stands out as the only state colored a deep orange, a label for a percentage change of -0.5 or more.

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[-] Num10ck@lemmy.world 94 points 1 year ago

if you can work remotely then why live in a closet?

[-] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 63 points 1 year ago

In order to live next to all the city stuff? Some people like cities after all, and more space is more space to clean

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[-] Klystron@sh.itjust.works 28 points 1 year ago

The literal endless abundance of things to do. Idc if my place is a closet if I'm never in it. Obviously if you're raising a 5 person family it's harder, but if you're solo or DINK then why wouldn't you

[-] hydrospanner@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Solo converting to DINK here, and for me, after spending years in a city, basically while there's tons to do in a city, there's only a relatively small portion of it that I actually want to do.

Combine that with my love of outdoor hobbies which are all farther from me while living in a city...

And at this point, for me, it's more about finding the smallest city that offers me most of what I like about cities while being small enough that I lose as much of the negatives as possible, with bonus points for a city that's small enough for me to live on the edges, where I can have a house with a yard and a garage, while being within a 10 minute drive of city center, but also less than 30 minutes from outdoor recreation opportunities.

I'm also at the age where "stay home" is often my preferred choice of thing to do, so having a spacious, comfortable home where I can enjoy living is a major consideration. A 500 sqft 1BR that I share with a roommate or two ain't cutting it.

Different people like different things, and while cities provide a lot, there's also a lot they don't.

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[-] Coreidan@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

New York is a huge state. Why would you need to live in a closet?

[-] june@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

Nearly half the state population is in NYC alone. Expand that out to the nyc metropolitan area within New York, and you’re getting close to 3/4 of the state population.

It’s quite reasonable to assume that the vast majority of the folks that left New York were leaving NYC.

[-] n2burns@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago

I think what they're saying is that if people wanted to leave NYC, they could stay in State and have more room.

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[-] danc4498@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago

Blue states going down, red states going up. The electoral college will fuck us all.

[-] RainfallSonata@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Outside of NYC, NY is a red state. But will 100,000 have that great an influence on the electoral college? It doesn't sound like a lot in a population of 19 million.

[-] TechyDad@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

There are pockets of NY, outside of NYC, that are blue. The big areas that are red are mostly rural counties. But land doesn't vote, people do, so it doesn't matter if 1,000 people in a huge area vote red when 100,000 people in a small city vote blue.

You're right that NYC helps keep us blue, but they aren't the only ones. In 2020, NY voted for Biden over Trump 60.8% to 37.7%. If we removed NYC's counties, NY would have still voted for Biden, but at a much closer 52.4% to 45.9%.

[-] june@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

The geographic majority of Washington state is red, but the state is consistently blue. Because land doesn’t vote.

[-] Ullallulloo@civilloquy.com 8 points 1 year ago

Not alone. It would have to lose ~3% relative to other states to lose a vote. However, this is just one year and southern states are all gaining people at twice the rate New York is losing them, so theoretically a blue vote could be flipping to a red vote every few years just from the amount of people leaving blue states.

Note that when New York loses Congressional seats, the legislature will presumably gerrymander them such that the Republicans in New York are eliminated, so it shouldn't affect Congress at all.

[-] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

watches the flood of blue tech people swarming to NC

yeah, I'm not sure the vote will flip that way. It doesn't take much to impact these tiny population red states.

[-] SkepticalButOpenMinded@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 year ago

It depends on who is moving. It doesn’t help Dems to run up the score in California and New York, so having people leave might actually help. If some of those educated progressive knowledge workers move to cities in the south, it could make a huge difference.

[-] hydrospanner@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Nice take.

I saw the map and had the same dismal overall reaction but this is a very valid point!

[-] trebuchet@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago

Unless blue people moving to Texas and Florida flip those states blue, in which case red might be done for good.

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[-] Drewelite@lemmynsfw.com 17 points 1 year ago

If the people equivalent to the entire population of Wyoming moved out of New York, most people wouldn't notice.

[-] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago

In fairness Wyoming could disappear and nobody would realize until the military and the truckers pointed it out, and even then there'd be a delay

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[-] errer@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

Moving to states that have banned abortion, smart move dumbasses.

[-] KRAW@linux.community 36 points 1 year ago

Believe it or not, people might not always have abortion at the top of their list when they're moving. In fact I'm willing to bet cost of living is near the top of their list.

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[-] tills13@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago

It's people moving from places where they actually want to live (because of qol) to places where they can afford to live. Though it'd be interesting to see like a "true" cost of living for these places.

[-] CosmicTurtle@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

Yeah I don't get that at all. I had several female co-workers who accepted relocation packages to Texas when my company offered them right when Texas started passing anti-abortion laws.

I figured it was none of my business to ask why they did but man...they are either really smart and wanting to flip the state blue or they aren't thinking it's going to affect them.

No amount of money would make me want to move to Texas or Florida, or anywhere the Alt-right has a strong political hold

[-] highenergyphysics@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

They don’t think it will happen to them.

Yknow despite literally all metrics of quality of life, health, and safety being even worse in red states than the already pathetic US average.

Why is it that every conservative leaning government worldwide is currently in a self destructive spiral while socialist societies are getting better and better in all measurable metrics?

Curious.

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[-] rosymind@leminal.space 7 points 1 year ago

My guess is that they have the means (funds, paid time off) to travel out of state, if needed.

[-] hglman@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

Having just moved from Texas to the north east, people in the northeast are clueless to how bad it actually is.

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[-] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

I was wondering what would happen to gentrified neighborhoods once they ratched up the cost of living so high that the gentrifiers couldn't afford it.

[-] DLSantini@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago

Louis Rossmann would be proud.

[-] hex_m_hell@slrpnk.net 10 points 1 year ago

I'm curious how many people are just leaving the US entirely. Technically this probably wouldn't represent it since expats are still counted as a resident of whatever state you lived in last untill you revoke your citizenship.

[-] RainfallSonata@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The social services and community involvement are better in Indiana than they were (and appear to still be, though I no longer have direct experience there) in WNY. Health insurance was better in NY, though. If I go back to die there, it will only be for the sake of nostalgia and not any belief that the remainder of my life would be better.

[-] dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago

Depends heavily where you are. If it's not Indy, ft Wayne, Lafayette, Bloomington, or Terre Haute (maybe Evansville?), IN is pretty craptastic in both those regards. At least that has been my 35 years of experience.

Little towns got shitty roads and hospitals I wouldn't enter unless I were actively dying. Not to mention the abhorrent under funding of police / fire / education that is rampant... But all my kids family lives here so I'm here too lol.

[-] verdantbanana@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

moving to places in the south because initially was cheaper and driving up prices such as property taxes for the ones already there

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