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What is clear, however, is that Trump — who ostensibly spent four years as president of the United States — has little clue about what NATO is or what NATO does. And when he spoke on the subject at a rally in South Carolina over the weekend, what he said was less a cogent discussion of foreign policy than it was gibberish — the kind of outrageous nonsense that flows without interruption from an empty and unreflective mind.

“One of the presidents of a big country stood up and said, ‘Well, sir, if we don’t pay, and we’re attacked by Russia, will you protect us?’” Trump said, recalling an implausible conversation with an unnamed, presumably European head of state. “‘You didn’t pay? You’re delinquent?’” Trump recounted responding. “‘No, I would not protect you. In fact, I would encourage them to do whatever the hell they want. You gotta pay. You gotta pay your bills.’”

The former president’s message was clear: If NATO members do not pay up, then he will leave them to the mercy of a continental aggressor who has already plunged one European country into death, destruction and devastation.

Except NATO isn’t a mafia protection racket. NATO, in case anyone needs to be reminded, is a mutual defense organization, formed by treaty in 1949 as tensions between the United States and the Soviet Union hardened into conflict. “The parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all,” states Article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty.

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[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 7 points 10 months ago

That this point I think he thinks that NATO is what you call TiVo, and that TiVo is still a thing.

[-] GilgameshCatBeard@lemmy.ca 6 points 10 months ago

Make no mistake…. He has NO CLUE what NATO is.

[-] doesnt_use_lemmy@lemmings.world 5 points 10 months ago

Ostensibly? I'm pretty sure he was president for four years. Does anybody protest that?

[-] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

He was president for 4 years and treated it like retirement. Even if it was explained to him exactly what NATO was several times, I doubt he paid attention or cared enough to retain the information.
Putin doesn't like NATO and that's all he needs to know about it.

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

He has this bizarre idea in his head that NATO is like one of his golf clubs with membership fees and not GDP pledges.

[-] ogmios@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago

It's a bit weird hearing people make a huge fuss over Trump not taking the Russian threat seriously while they themselves are refusing to spend even just the minimum they've already agreed to spend on defence. Especially if we're looking at the potential of the US being an unreliable partner, shouldn't we be putting a lot more effort into shoring things up here at home? (Canadian)

[-] blazeknave@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago
[-] Mossheart@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 months ago

Yes, we definitely should, but you won't find a party on any side of the spectrum that will run on that.

[-] ogmios@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago

Which is among the reasons that people are losing faith in government, and why Trump is capable of capitalizing on the issue.

[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 2 points 10 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


And when he spoke on the subject at a rally in South Carolina over the weekend, what he said was less a cogent discussion of foreign policy than it was gibberish — the kind of outrageous nonsense that flows without interruption from an empty and unreflective mind.

“One of the presidents of a big country stood up and said, ‘Well, sir, if we don’t pay, and we’re attacked by Russia, will you protect us?’” Trump said, recalling an implausible conversation with an unnamed, presumably European head of state.

The former president’s message was clear: If NATO members do not pay up, then he will leave them to the mercy of a continental aggressor who has already plunged one European country into death, destruction and devastation.

NATO, in case anyone needs to be reminded, is a mutual defense organization, formed by treaty in 1949 as tensions between the United States and the Soviet Union hardened into conflict.

Or consider the time, last November, when Trump confused China and North Korea, telling an audience of supporters in Florida that “Kim Jong Un leads 1.4 billion people, and there is no doubt about who the boss is.

And because no one now expects him to be a responsible political figure with a coherent vision for the country, it’s as if no one blinks an eye when he rants and raves on the campaign trail.


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[-] DogPeePoo@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago

Syphilis brain deterioration

[-] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 1 points 10 months ago

NATO/potato from the Cheeto.

[-] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

To me Trump has no business commenting on NATO at all. He has no business commenting on anything I don't care if he was president. The man is a jackass and is way out of his depth. Why we tolerate it is insane.

Our politicians operate closer to nobility of a bygone era then they do of members of a republic. For this they deserve the guillotine.

[-] TakiMinase@slrpnk.net 1 points 10 months ago

D. Trump, traitor

[-] nutsack@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago

something about the Soviet Union right?

[-] jaemo@sh.itjust.works 0 points 10 months ago

¿Por qué no los dos?

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