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Zelenskyy says Ukrainian troops have taken full control of the Russian town of Sudzha (apnews.com)

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[-] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 66 points 2 months ago

They’re capturing Russians in droves too. Pretty crazy couple of weeks.

[-] takeda@lemmy.world 39 points 2 months ago

https://i.redd.it/wuj612kat9id1.png

[-] N0body@lemmy.dbzer0.com 41 points 2 months ago

"We will now hold an important referendum in which the citizens of Sudzha will vote whether Vladimir Putin should: 1. Get fucked, or 2. Go fuck himself. Voting is mandatory."

[-] ravhall@discuss.online 4 points 2 months ago

I wonder if they did have a vote, if the town would vote to secede

[-] baascus@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago

It’s wrong to put them in that position, if it is retaken then surely they would be collectively punished. And this referendum would not follow international law anyway. The area will be occupied until it is retaken by Putler or the war ends.

[-] Barbarian@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 months ago

Yup. Far better to do what they're doing now, which is going above and beyond what international law requires. It requires them to be given humanitarian aid and be allowed to move further into Russia if they want to. Where they're going extra is allowing any of them automatic asylum in Ukraine of they request it.

[-] Frozyre@kbin.melroy.org 41 points 2 months ago

How's it feel, Russia?

I just hope the russians that aren't pro-putin are treated better than the russians did to any ukranians over the cities and land they've taken.

[-] djsoren19@yiffit.net 23 points 2 months ago

Even the pro-Putin Russians are being treated well and "deprogrammed." I heard that a major struggle Ukraine is currently having is a lack of therapists, as captured Russians are struggling to come to terms with the cognitive dissonance between what they've been told about Ukrainians, and how well Ukrainians have treated them.

[-] Jimbabwe@lemmy.world 29 points 2 months ago

In a perfect world, they keep right on marching to the kremlin, shoot Putin in the head, turn around and walk home to Ukraine without any more death or suffering

[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 41 points 2 months ago

In a perfect world the past 2 years would never have had a war at all.

[-] leisesprecher@feddit.org 9 points 2 months ago

Maybe it's all part of God's plan!

Or maybe the universe is fucked up.

[-] Psythik@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

I'm disappointed by the lack of funny joke reviews on Google Maps for businesses in the area.

[+] NoiseColor@startrek.website -16 points 2 months ago

I know we are all happy Ukraine taking land like this, having some military success. I don't want to be a downer, but it's also a liability taking land you have no desire to hold. Sure I understand all the benefits of this, absolutely. It's great success. I just hope it translates into frontline changes where it matters more.

[-] CaptDust@sh.itjust.works 47 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Any resource sent by Russia to defend this region is one less resource being used in more important areas of the battlefield, that's reason enough to take it when the cracks were discovered.

[-] NoiseColor@startrek.website 13 points 2 months ago

Absolutely! The whole narrative has already changed. I think the slow and confused response from Russia as they are struggling to find resources to stop this incursion is what speaks the loudest. ... but, at some point they will find those resources. If there is no progress anywhere inspite of this?

[-] leisesprecher@feddit.org 11 points 2 months ago

They hope Putin will overreact and send "too many" troops there and then quickly retreat with minimal losses.

Apparently, the Ukrainians are surprised how far they made it, too. So maybe they hoped for a small distraction, got whatever this is and now are just winging it.

[-] margaritox@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

You don't know what their plans are or what they "hoped" for. The truth it, Russia is sending missiles on Kharkhiv from Kursk. If nothing else, making it harder for Russians to shoot onto Ukrainian territory is a win in and of itself.

[-] small44@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago

Russia may be forced to remove troops from ukraine to liberate russian land. I don't see how it's bad for ukraine

[-] NoiseColor@startrek.website 1 points 2 months ago

It's good, it's great for Ukraine if they do. If Russia finds resources somewhere else, this could end up being a pointless excursion.

[-] Palerider@feddit.uk 7 points 2 months ago

If Russia had those resources they would already be using them to end a "special military operation" that has now been ongoing for nearly three years..

[-] NoiseColor@startrek.website 0 points 2 months ago

Maybe. On the other hand, we have seen that Russians are slow to learn and adapt, but in the end they do.

[-] margaritox@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Everyone learns as time goes, Russians AND Ukrainians. Everyone has to adapt their strategies sooner or later. It's the reality of war.

[-] Darrell_Winfield@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

What if Ukraine invades Russia and overthrows Putin? And established a better government with interest in caring for the people, nuclear de-escalation, and better foreign relations?

I know it's never going to happen, but imagine how great that would be? St. Petersburg isn't that far into Russia...

[-] lemmyrob@feddit.org 11 points 2 months ago

[-] NoiseColor@startrek.website 10 points 2 months ago

Yes, but that is a fantasy. Not because I think they couldn't. I think they could blitz them and find themselves in Moscow for sure. But the regime in Russia will go nuclear before they let Ukraine come.

[-] Num10ck@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

winter is coming

[-] kayos@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Do I say this in a Russian or English accent?

[-] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

Given just how badly both the Russian army and the state itself is led, Ukraine holding onto Kursk indefinitely may just work.

Speaking as an armchair general, Russia is like a noob who is playing a real time strategy game for the first time; not knowing what logistics is, morale, intelligence and no doctrine. Russia is throwing bodies at the problem-- like seeing everything as nails and hammering down. Putin did not even have any plans whatsoever after the initial invasion of Ukraine. The invasion plans were actually set by the Russian internal intelligence agency, the FSB; an organisation with no formal military discipline. As we speak, the defense of Kursk is handed to FSB. It is as if Putin had not learnt his lesson! It says more that he is paranoid and trusts his de-facto personal guards to handle things than the army. The whole ordeal is getting desperate for him.

[-] margaritox@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Russia is using this territory to shoot missiles into Kharkhiv. At the very least, it's creating a "buffer zone" to make it harder to shoot into Ukrainian territory. Believe me, the Ukrainian military knows way more than we do and are at a way better position to make decisions than you and I are.

[-] NoiseColor@startrek.website 1 points 1 month ago

Well, that's not entirely true is it. This territory is not known to have been a place missiles. Plus, Ukraine will not be able to take enough land to even make it a buffer zone for artillery, let alone missiles.

This land is a liability. You need many troops to defend it that could be somewhere else. That's a fact. The is only a question Wether the pros outweigh the cons.

Of course we don't know more than Ukrainian commands. We are speculating and talking. But they make mistakes as well. In war there is a game of probabilities and risks.

[-] JustZ@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago

I share this concern. I posted the other day to this news, "Okay, now what?" And I got a lot of responses about short term benefits but I don't see this as being part of any effective overall strategy. I really hope I'm wrong and I just can't see it.

[-] margaritox@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

If nothing else, it makes it harder for Russians to shoot missiles into Kharkhiv, as they're being fired from Kursk. Believe me, the Ukrainian military know way more than any of us do and are at a much better position to make calls as to what is and isn't an "effective strategy".

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