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JD Vance says school shootings are a "fact of life" (www.salon.com)

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[-] 5C5C5C@programming.dev 176 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Countries ranked in descending order by number of school shootings from 2009-2018:

United States: 288
Mexico: 8
South Africa: 6
Afghanistan: 3
Brazil, Canada, France: 2
Azerbaijan, China, Estonia, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Kenya, Russia, Turkey: 1

One of these is not like the others. This isn't exactly a fact of life in other parts of the world.

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[+] rand_alpha19@moist.catsweat.com 24 points 3 months ago

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[-] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 33 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Those numbers aren't right.

First, the total-gun-death numbers are not population-adjusted and therefore useless without additional context. The same article does have the population-adjusted numbers and the USA is, predictably, not in the top ten.

Second, once the numbers are adjusted for population, there are some very strange results. For example, apparently Iraq actually has slightly fewer gun deaths per capita than the USA. Nigeria, the country where Boko Haram is based, has four times fewer gun deaths per capita than the USA?! Clearly the gun-death numbers correspond more to how well records are kept in a country than they do to the actual numbers of gun deaths.

Oh, and those gun death numbers include suicides, not just murders. Most gun deaths in the USA are suicides. A suicide is technically a gun death, but not usually the sort that people have in mind when discussing a school shooting.

[-] affiliate@lemmy.world 28 points 3 months ago

everything you said is true. i just wanted to add something to the suicide point: owning a gun has been tied with an increased risk of suicide. source

here’s a quote from the link that i think gives a good summary of the problem:

“Suicide attempts are often impulsive acts, driven by transient life crises,” the authors write. “Most attempts are not fatal, and most people who attempt suicide do not go on to die in a future suicide. Whether a suicide attempt is fatal depends heavily on the lethality of the method used — and firearms are extremely lethal. These facts focus attention on firearm access as a risk factor for suicide especially in the United States, which has a higher prevalence of civilian-owned firearms than any other country and one of the highest rates of suicide by firearm.”

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[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago

And again the old and stupid claim from the gun nuts: suicides by firearms are no firearm related deaths...

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[-] cerement@slrpnk.net 103 points 3 months ago

“‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens”

[-] cabbage@piefed.social 98 points 3 months ago

Force unwanted children into this world
Give no childcare support
Send them to underfunded schools
Offer no mental healthcare programs
Make guns readily available
"Facts of life"

[-] pigup@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago

I believe the assumption is this only applies to brown children. H'wite childrens obviously go to private school and have top tier medical care.

[-] cabbage@piefed.social 13 points 3 months ago

I don't have any stats on this, but when I think of a school shooter, I think of a white kid.

Maybe that's why there's so much tolerance for them. Boys will be boys.

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[-] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago

this only applies to brown children

No. It applies to poor children. While it's true that poor children are more likely to be Brown, but it's really the poor that's the factor in this case.

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[-] 2001aCentenaryofFederation@fedia.io 74 points 3 months ago

Trump gets shot at and the country says there is no room for political violence, we wish him well. Children get shot every single day, that’s just a matter of life, child-sized coffin sales sky-rocket.

But really, why aren’t more politicians being shot? I think if they were the targets instead of innocent children, gun reform would be both swift and severe.

Now, I’m not saying that political violence is acceptable, but I’m certainly not not saying it.

[-] Soup@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago

Becauss the people who go out and try to solve their problems with violence on a scale that would give us that pattern are the republican base. There are plenty of examples outside of that group, obviously, but even the guy who tried to shoot Trump had been a republican until very shortly before the attempt.

[-] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 44 points 3 months ago

Notice how Vance and the other right-wing pricks don't apply the same reasoning to abortion. Nope, in THAT case they can come up with law after law after law to address the issue. When it comes to the lives of children already here? Pfffttt... perish the thought and the child.

[-] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 42 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Yeah, in the United States. Not in other western countries. Wonder why, JD? Maybe because it's a "fact of life" that's created and sustained by people like you...

[-] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 41 points 3 months ago

Conservatism is a deadly cancer that needs to be eradicated to save humanity. There is no place in a modern culture for toxic, hate-based ideologies like conservatism. That's just a fact of life.

[-] ShareMySims@sh.itjust.works 37 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

No, no it isn't.

-residents of like 98% of the rest of the world

[-] KaiReeve@lemmy.world 37 points 3 months ago

School shootings (and JD Vance) are symptoms of a diseased society.

[-] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 37 points 3 months ago

JD Vance is a couch fucking sociopath.

[-] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 33 points 3 months ago

A fact of American life because of idiotic gun policy.

[-] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 27 points 3 months ago

Just as natural as love between a man and a couch.

[-] Hikermick@lemmy.world 26 points 3 months ago

.... in America. Fixed that for you

[-] vga@sopuli.xyz 23 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Ok, so logically GOP presidential candidate shooting are also. Thoughts & prayers & get over it and all that.

[-] ravhall@discuss.online 8 points 3 months ago

They might end up regretting all that gun support.

[-] vga@sopuli.xyz 37 points 3 months ago

Funnily enough, this how he conveyed that message:

[-] billiam0202@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Quick and dirty:

[-] ravhall@discuss.online 10 points 3 months ago

I see some room in the back. 🤷‍♂️

[-] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 9 points 3 months ago

imagine signing up for a career where your job is to take bullets for fucking couchfucker

[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

They don't provide the same level of protection to the school children.

[-] N0body@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 3 months ago

“You cat ladies just need to make more babies to replace the children killed by gunfire in schools,” said the not insane guy who wants to rule the country and women’s bodies under Project 2025.

Jokes aside, Trump is clearly falling apart. The Heritage Foundation and Federalist Society have gone all-in on Vance. He’s the real would-be dictator. Once elections become rigged at the federal level, he will be President and your vote won’t matter.

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[-] pyre@lemmy.world 17 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

at a time like this, a leader should use their pulpit to rally people, make them believe in progress, and cushion the blow.

this guy just blows the cushion.

[-] simplejack@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago

Fact of American life.

[-] ATDA@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago

So are corrupt, do nothing, hot air spewing politicians. Weird coincidence?

[-] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago

How about this.

Take JD Vance saying that this is just a "fact of life" and start playing that on political ads all over Georgia. I don't like the idea of exploiting tragedy for political purposes but I think people who are considering voting for this waste of oxygen should know that he considers their kids nothing more than collateral damage.

[-] xenoclast@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago

He's unfortunately correct. For the wrong reason tho

[-] uienia@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

It is an inherent part of US life. But the rest of the world is proving that it is definitely not part of life in general.

[-] lennybird@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago

This can only improve Harris's odds in Georgia, right? I mean this certainly a renewed sense of purpose to turn out and vote for Georgian Democrats who we know if they turn out they win.

[-] LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago

I'd say "what the fuck" but I'm not even surprised that he said this. Bro is scum.

[-] over_clox@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago

So lets issue all the students guns?

[-] InEnduringGrowStrong@sh.itjust.works 19 points 3 months ago

Just give all the kids a few nukes.
If Mutually Assured Destruction works for international relations, surely this works for schools.

[-] showmeyourkizinti@startrek.website 10 points 3 months ago

So my take away here is that JD Couchfucker here is saying neither he or Trump are powerful enough to do anything. Is that really the message you want to be sending during your campaign for the highest office in America?

[-] rayyy@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago

"Fact of life", Shay Dee Vance is a mentally underdeveloped humanoid. Another, "fact of life" - there is a lot of profit and money to grease politician's hands in those look-alike military gun sales for LARPERS.

[-] Resol@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago

Can... you do something about it?

[-] Omgpwnies@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago

They have a comprehensive two-pronged approach, they start with thoughts and immediately follow up with prayers, but for the sake of efficiency, they don't actually think or pray.

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[-] paf0@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

Queue the 1980s TV "Facts of Life" theme song parodies.

[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 3 months ago

JDV is a scumback prick. That's just a fact of life. Our country is an anomaly among developed nations and there's absolutely no way to change it. Just wait until a school shooting happens where one of these assholes sends their kids. Will it still be a fact of life?

Jk. None of these pricks send their kids anywhere where these things happen.

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