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[-] foggy@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Why bother?

If you didn't cut the "fuck your feelings" crowd out 8 years ago, that's on you.

[-] paf0@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Not all GOP people are MAGA. Some of them are into low taxes, religion or guns. We risk some variation of civil war if we lump all of those people together. Try to see them as human.

[-] foggy@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

At this point I respectfully disagree. I would have given credence to this argument until roughly January 7th 2021.

I mean I still see them as human. I'll ever let go of that. That why I hate those I hate; they're willing to dehumanize.

But, that's why I just divest and distance. Most of em are struggling hard and I'm feeling like my peak is yet in sight so... Idk 🤷🏼‍♀️

[-] paf0@lemmy.world -2 points 1 week ago

Did the entire party storm the capital? You're no better than Trump when it comes to prejudice.

[-] foggy@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

😂 did the entire party condemn it?!

Tagged as "block next time"

[-] paf0@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago

Some of them did. It's not fair to treat any group as a monolith.

And feel free, coward.

[-] foggy@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Ad hominems, nice.

See ya never, ass-butt.

[-] paf0@lemmy.world -1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

You're afraid to have a discussion with them. You're afraid to have a discussion with me. People are going to disagree sometimes, and that's ok. The path of the coward is to cut people out forever.

[-] knightly@pawb.social 1 points 4 days ago

If 10 people sit at a table with 1 Nazi then there are 11 Nazis at the table.

Nobody who would vote for a Republican is allowed to disclaim Jan6th. They can only claim to be voting for Republicans despite that event or because of it.

I'll happily argue with Republicans 'til the cows come home, but they don't like arguing with me because I refuse to treat them with anything less than the contempt they deserve.

[-] paf0@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

I would encourage you to be respectful regardless. No one will hear you if you are treating them with contempt.

Personally I think that low taxes and small government are valid perspectives. Unfortunately many Republicans are really only in favor of those things in theory, as long as they apply to liberal ideas. Regardless, I think it's important to treat them as human, listen to their concerns and respectfully point out their hypocrisy when it happens. In the end, everyone is trying to do what is best for themselves and their families, and are only viewing problems and solutions through the echo chamber in which they take part. The way forward will involve listening, respect, and a bit of compromise.

[-] knightly@pawb.social 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I would encourage you to be respectful regardless. No one will hear you if you are treating them with contempt.

They won't hear it anyway, studies show that debate is extremely unlikely to change anyone's mind. The point of arguing with Republicans isn't to "be heard" by the kind of people who would prefer to see me dead or worse, it is to demonstrate to them that their bullshit will not be quietly tolerated.

Personally I think that low taxes and small government are valid perspectives.

Personally, I think trying to pass off a couple of slogans as if they were a policy position is a typical form of Republican intellectual dishonesty and I love making them squirm by asking detailed questions about what they mean.

I think it's important to treat them as human, listen to their concerns and respectfully point out their hypocrisy when it happens.

You've got that precisely backwards, as is typical of American liberals.

Republicans are not ashamed of their hypocrisy, they are empowered by it. To be taken seriously despite the disconnect between their words and deeds is a position of power that they believe they have the right to exercise over all their lessers.

In fact, this hypocritical immunity is a cornerstone of conservative politics. Wilhoit's Law: "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."

They literally do not care so long as the hypocrisy benefits those "on their side" and harms those lower in the hierarchy they defend.

The way forward will involve listening, respect, and a bit of compromise.

And how, precisely, do you plan on forcing Republicans to compromise their principles in such a fashion? To paraphrase another common saying, "It is almost impossible to get a man to agree to something when his political identity depends on his refusal to do so."

[-] paf0@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

There is not much point in engaging in discussion with someone who thinks they have an entire group of people all figured out. It's a LOT of people. Treat them as individuals. Be well.

[-] knightly@pawb.social 0 points 4 days ago

A lot of people with a common trait, they identify with the Republican party.

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