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[-] lvxferre@mander.xyz 4 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

[Warning: I'm not a lawyer.] As people answered it mostly for USA, I gave it a check for other countries.

For both Italian law (article 640 of the Penal Code) and Brazilian law (the famous article 171 of the Penal Code), this behaviour falls neatly into fraud laws, and leads to a few years of reclusion. I couldn't find any law specifically for selling it as if it was a drug though.

For Portugal I actually found a paper about the topic. It claims that it isn't a crime per se, but it's usually filled under other crimes, and the paper proposes the creation of specific laws against it.

I kind of expect other countries and their legal systems to be the same in this regard. It's simply not a pressing issue.

[-] bizzle@lemmy.world 9 points 5 hours ago

I used to have this friend we called Blaster Taylor. He was cool as fuck until he started abusing Adderall, and that Adderall addiction turned into meth pretty quick. Started shooting it, that's when I stopped kickin it with him.

Anyway a couple years after that he got busted selling a bag of rock salt to an undercover cop saying it was meth, and he did a couple years for that as I recall. I don't talk to any of those dudes anymore but last I heard he's out by now, complete with swastika face tats.

To paraphrase John Darnielle, selling fake meth was a bad idea; but selling it to a cop was a worse one.

[-] magnetosphere@fedia.io 3 points 5 hours ago

I’m sorry for both you and your friend.

[-] bizzle@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago

Meth literally ruined my life, my kid's mom started doing that shit and it was a catastrophe. Fortunately I've been clean pretty much the whole time because meth is a shitty drug and I've picked up the pieces pretty well, I'm currently the happiest ive ever been.

He's not though 😬 don't do meth. Don't hang out with people who do it. It's pretty much a hassle all the way around, and who needs that? Especially for a drug that makes you pick at your face and chain-smoke fucking gross ass Pall-Malls in the driveway for three straight days

[-] magnetosphere@fedia.io 1 points 5 hours ago

Again, I’m sorry, and congratulations on where you are now. It sounds like you’ve definitely earned it.

[-] Chozo@fedia.io 15 points 7 hours ago

Yes. Selling something advertised as a prohibited product, whether or not it's true, is technically a crime. Assuming we're talking about the US, in most jurisdictions this would be treated just about the same as if you were actually selling the same volume of the advertised product. I believe the reasoning behind it is that even if it's fake, you're creating a market for the real product to be traded, or something like that.

So if you sell a 1 lb bag of flour calling it cocaine, you'd get charged as if you sold 1 lb of coke. The final judgement may not be as severe as actually selling a pound of coke, but the initial charges typically will be.

Also, flour and sugar do not look like coke or meth up close. It would be immediately obvious a user/seller the moment it's in their hands, so this is also a really good way to get your ass kicked.

[-] Don_Dickle@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

Never used the stuff but had it pop into my mind. I was just considering its all white.

[-] Chozo@fedia.io 8 points 6 hours ago

I've not handled meth, myself, but I know that coke usually clumps up into flakes that have a "fishscale" like appearance to them with the way light reflects off of it. That slightly pearlescent appearance is the first thing a buyer would be looking for, because there's not a whole lot of other white powdery materials that look like that. It also clumps up with a consistency slightly similar to something like Comet cleaner, so it wouldn't be as fine-grain as sugar or flour would be.

I dunno why I'm helping you disguise your fake drugs lmao, just be careful.

[-] undefined@links.hackliberty.org 7 points 6 hours ago

Continuous Integration?

[-] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 15 points 8 hours ago

A) Flour

B) Fraud

[-] Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world 9 points 8 hours ago

One Google search later,

Selling counterfeit illicit drugs is illegal even if the substances used to make the imitation drug are not illegal on themselves

[-] SomeAmateur@sh.itjust.works 10 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

I imagine that's only if you market it as drugs.

"Hey you got the good drugs?" "Yeah here"

But what if you played the long con, started....say a salt distribution ring. Have a run down house full of it, sell it in baggies, make it look as suspicious as possible only for them to do stakeouts, get informants in there, just to find you are not doing anything illegal at all, it just has all the signs without the actual law breaking. If you call it salt they'll probably think it's a code name for a drug

"Hey you got the good salt?" "Yeah here"

goes back to the police lab

"wtf? It's just salt?"

Then they would just think the informant got compromised and have to raid the house lol

[-] MutilationWave@lemmy.world 5 points 7 hours ago

The moment someone saw salt they'd be out. Do you guys really think "drugs" look like flour and salt?

[-] hedgehog@ttrpg.network 1 points 3 hours ago

Nah, the idea is that anyone not buying it thinks it looks like drugs, not to convince the people buying that they’re buying drugs.

You could also call it “Spice” and make it a blend of different spices, salt, etc..

Either way, all you need is a bunch of people who are all in on the same joke.

[-] SomeAmateur@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 hours ago

get your common sense and logic out of here lol

[-] Fuckfuckmyfuckingass@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

I enjoy this idea immensely.

[-] Brewchin@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago

As with every legal topic on the Internet: depending on your (international) jurisdiction.

[-] Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

In which jurisdiction is it legal to sell fake cocaine? :)

[-] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago

I suppose it is fraud. If they do hurt themselves after trying to consume they might end up in an ER and a hospital might be required to report (even if user would not have for obvious reasons)

[-] jeffw@lemmy.world 5 points 8 hours ago

What kind of flowers are we talking about?

[-] Don_Dickle@lemmy.world 7 points 8 hours ago
[-] tonyn@lemmy.ml 9 points 8 hours ago

My favorite kind of johnnycake

[-] TootSweet@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

All the better to make with the aforementioned flour and sugar.

Just don't buy the flour and sugar in a dark alley at night from someone with shifty eyes.

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago

CI? Criminal Informant?

If you're law enforcement or part of the DoC, you probably have better places to ask. I you're caught in an undercover sting, you can talk with a public attorney at the very least. eitherway, there's more reliable sources of information.

[-] fulcrummed@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

They’re confidential informants where I’m from - regional differences isn’t surprising, wonder how it’s abbreviated for other languages.

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

Confidential informants are a bit different, here.

One is a low level perp you let slide because they nark on bigger fish, the other is just a random person who may have information that’s sensitive, not necessarily themselves criminal.

Either way, though, that probably goes to entrapment. And if OP’s not a LEO, and still trying to get some one jammed up, there’s probably a slew of charges there- especially if the motive is leverage.

[-] foggy@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago

You can get arrested, you could be detained under a reasonable articulable suspicion of having committed a crime.

As to whether or not that would ultimately lead to trouble? No. Could it still cost you money, time, etc? Yes.

[-] meco03211@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

Depends on the state. I imagine over the years, enterprising drug dealers have done just that to dupe unsuspecting buyers. It wouldn't be far fetched that a state would write laws to capture just such an instance.

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