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[-] Marx2k@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago

These same people also solve seem to give af about the suffering of children outside of the border of the country.

I've yet to hear any evangelical cry about dead Palestinian children or the suffering of children on the other side of the American Mexican border.

[-] chalupapocalypse@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Because they are hypocrites, once that baby leaves the womb they give zero fucks.

Don't get an abortion, also we aren't paying for that kids lunch

[-] sanguinepar@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

To be fair to those people (which I'm really not inclined to be), I'm pro-choice but strongly against the death penalty. So I guess it swings both ways.

[-] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

it doesn't swing both ways. They are claiming the position of being "pro life" which is clearly hypocritical. No one on the other side is claiming to be "pro death" or "anti life".

[-] sanguinepar@lemmy.world 1 points 21 hours ago

That's a good point, actually. I hadn't thought it through enough.

[-] cranakis@reddthat.com 5 points 1 day ago

I blame religion.

[-] PunnyName@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Punishment. They aren't against abortion, they're pro punishment. They don't think any laws should be about mitigation or helping, only as a means of punishing.

It's in how they talk: "she should have kept her legs closed"; "that's what you get for being a slut"; "if you don't want to have a baby, don't have sex". The pregnancy is a punishment for anyone who wants to have sex, but doesn't want to have children. And jail or death is the punishment for avoiding that previous punishment.

When talking about gun control, too: "why should I - a law abiding citizen - be punished for the actions of a few criminals?"; "ShAlL noT bE INfrInGeD". They don't want laws to do anything but punish. Mitigation? Expansion of freedoms of "them"? No.

Look at voter ID laws: they're restrictive to our freedom, but proposed as punishment for "fraud".

And it often stems from an individualistic and Evangelical ideal. Everyone is "responsible" for their actions. There are no systemic issues in the mind of an evangelical. God is punishing the individual. The laws are punishing the individual. We don't need to change, because we includes I, and I don't need to change, because "I'm a good Christian warrior in the fight against evil".

And evangelicals definitely think there is a spiritual war going on, so punishment of the "wicked" is always an option. Because being wicked is an individual issue.

(Also why they think drug addiction is a moral failing of the individual, not a societal one, and therefore they should be punished).

Right now, evangelicalism and their Christofascist views are moving into political positions of power. They have tons of money coming in, and even if Fuckface 45 (their evangelical God-king warrior) doesn't get into office, they'll still continue to influence policy and grab seats of power.

We need to be aware of them, and stop them at every pass.

[-] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

I'll just say that able minded people, usually adults, are usually responsible of their actions.

[-] PunnyName@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago
[-] Flax_vert@feddit.uk -3 points 22 hours ago

I have the same question for the opposite as well. Or for being for abortion and also vegan.

[-] barsquid@lemmy.world 0 points 17 hours ago

Well, one difference is that the prisoner is not housed inside an unwilling woman's womb. That's not where steaks and pork chops come from either. Hope that helps.

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[-] Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago

Underlying their shallow morals is a undiagnosed mental condition. More often than not from my perspective its usually a cluster B personality disorder. NPD/BPD or one of the others variants. They simply lack the ability to see their hypocrisy. They lack the basic empathy necessary to realize it. Due to this they a mortally afraid of therapy and are not likely to ever get better. What we have to do is improve identifying them and preventing their illness from destroying those around them. Not likely to happen when so many of them are elected to office. If you haven't noticed mental health systems in this country are In a shambles. This is not a accident.

[-] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world -3 points 1 day ago

Because they’re goddamned thoughtless morons.

[-] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world -4 points 1 day ago

Punishment fetish.

[-] leftzero@lemmynsfw.com -5 points 1 day ago

Because they're not pro life, they're pro suffering.

And they want to control others (against their will if possible), so ending someone's life and forcing someone to gestate a baby or die in the process fall in exactly the same bag.

[-] Gordon@lemmy.world -5 points 1 day ago

The suffering is the point. It's got nothing to do with morals or human rights or the death penalty or abortion or "Christian values". It's all about making "those people" suffer.

[-] Hegar@fedia.io -5 points 1 day ago

It's a jeebus said so thing. Babies need to be baptized and sinners need to be sent to hell.

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