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[-] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

Hope they had a backup

[-] notfromhere@lemmy.ml 16 points 5 hours ago

We need IA full mirrors. This is too critical to leave to this one company.

[-] obbeel@lemmy.eco.br 10 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Apparently, BlackMeta is behind the DDoS attack to the Internet Archive. Apparently they are pro-Palestine hacktivists - their X account also has some russian written in it.

(Edit) Also, Internet Archive is banned on China since 2012 and Russia since 2015.

[-] Traister101@lemmy.today 38 points 9 hours ago

Yes they are a "pro-Palestine" Russian based hacker group... Nothing funny going on here no sir

[-] obbeel@lemmy.eco.br -1 points 9 hours ago
[-] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 17 points 7 hours ago

Reading that whole page, holy shit, it's like a twelve year old wrote it trying to sound very smart while also attempting to divert blame and falsify agenda. If this ain't a Russian psyop, nothing is.

[-] Traister101@lemmy.today 8 points 8 hours ago

Buddy. I don't care what they say. It's plainly obvious they are lying. They are just brown hat hackers

[-] DudeImMacGyver@sh.itjust.works 52 points 14 hours ago

Why are people fucking with the Internet Archive? Who benefits?

[-] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world 19 points 7 hours ago

Well right wingers want to ban books and services like IA make that harder since they provide easy access to download or digitally borrow those books. It makes it harder for them to deny people access to those books since they can find them online. Of course, there are other ways people can still obtain those books, IA isn't the only one, but it's the easiest and the most convent.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 36 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

People use Archive links to avoid giving sites traffic.

This is a problem for advertisers and media corps.

Not saying they're the ones doing this, but they'd definitely benefit.

[-] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

Why is this a problem, how would it affect real availability of ads? Except maybe tracking users.

[-] WldFyre@lemm.ee 1 points 7 hours ago

Someone else looked to the group claiming responsibility for this. It's a pro-Palestinian Russian group

[-] DudeImMacGyver@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 hours ago

Wouldn't put it past them...

[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 3 points 13 hours ago

Maybe they're just trolls doing it for the lulz.

[-] 1984@lemmy.today 81 points 19 hours ago

I guess this is an attempt to discredit them.

After working at many, many companies, security is usually very bad. This is typical. Not changing access tokens is also very common.

[-] Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz 21 points 18 hours ago

Discrediting someone usually has a goal of pushing customers to another source though. There is no other source of this information, so what would be the point?

[-] qfe0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 90 points 18 hours ago

Destroy a source of historical documents so that the past can be contested. Sew doubt, confusion, deniability. Hide evidence of past crimes, or inconvenient documents. Plant documents, etc.

[-] bamfic@lemmy.world 7 points 8 hours ago

Russians banned it, russian hackers trying to destroy it, at least it's consistent

[-] Gigasser@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Lol, we should create a society of sorts along the lines of the original Bavarian Illuminati. Create a decentralized storage network and archive of knowledge and history. Create a list of important shit that needs to be archived, and delegate standardized chunks (let's say 5 or 10gb each chunk) of data that are to be downloaded by people. Anytime 5 or 10 people have downloaded a chunk, strike it off the list of priority archival and move onto the next chunk. For this to work, needs alot of people though.

[-] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 5 points 9 hours ago

He who controls the past controls the future, he who controls the present controls the past.

[-] 1984@lemmy.today 16 points 17 hours ago

Now we are talking.

[-] grubbyweasel@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 hours ago

War of attrition is my guess

[-] OpenStars@discuss.online 17 points 18 hours ago

Generating turmoil just prior to the USA election maybe?

[-] grue@lemmy.world 56 points 18 hours ago

Okay, enough is enough. The Internet Archive is both essential infrastructure and irreplaceable historical record; it cannot be allowed to fall. Rather than just hoping the Archive can defend itself, I say It's time to hunt down and counterattack the scum perpetrating this!

[-] dovahking@lemmy.world 6 points 6 hours ago

Where are the anonymous group and 4chan autists? They should attack these assholes. Attacking internet archive is like kicking a kitten. Everyone will hate you for it.

[-] SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee 30 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Lol you're gonna pull that thread and at the end of the sweater is gonna be the CIA or Russia.

Edit: in = is

[-] grue@lemmy.world 9 points 7 hours ago

Did I stutter?

[-] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

Israel more likely. Making an attack completely useless for Palestine and calling yourself a pro-Palestine group - would be exactly their kind of braindead, but capable.

[-] SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee 2 points 1 hour ago

Mossad....CIA....same dragon different head.

[-] zlatiah@lemmy.world 43 points 19 hours ago

This again??

This time once archive.org is back online again... is it possible to get torrents of some of their popular data storage? For example I wouldn't imagine their catalog of books with expired copyright to be very big. Would love a community way to keep the data alive if something even worse happens in the future (and their track record isn't looking good now)

[-] SilentStorms@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 hours ago

Anna’s Archive does this. I think its a really good way to make it difficult to take them down.

Hopefully this hack starts some conversations on how they can ensure longevity for their project. Seems they’re being attacked on multiple fronts now.

[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 6 points 13 hours ago

I'm pretty sure all their content is available by torrent, so you could mirror the data and provide the torrent files for direct download. It'll probably be here when it's back up: https://archive.org/details/public-domain-archive

[-] njordomir@lemmy.world 11 points 15 hours ago

Yep, that seems like the ideal decentralized solution. If all the info can be distributed via torrent, anyone with spare disk space can help back up the data and anyone with spare bandwidth can help serve it.

[-] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

There's an issue with torrents, only the most popular ones get replicated and the process is manual\social.

Something like Freenet is needed, which automatically "spreads" data over machines contributing storage, but Freenet is an unreliable storage, basically like a cache where older and unwanted stuff gets erased.

So it should be something like Freenet, but possibly with some "clusters" or "communities" with a central (cryptography-enabled) authority of each being able to determine the state of some collection of data as a whole, and pick priorities. My layman's understanding is that this would be similar to something between Freenet and Ceph, LOL. More like a cluster filesystem spread over many nodes, not like cache.

[-] njordomir@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

You have more knowledge on this than I did. I enjoyed reading about Freenet and Ceph. I have dealt with cloud stuff, but not as much on a technical-underpinnings level. My first freenet impression from reading some articles gives me 90s internet vibes based on the common use cases they listed.

I remember ceph because I ended up building it from the AUR once on my weak little personal laptop because it got dropped from some repository or whatever but was still flagged to stay installed. I could have saved myself an hours long build if I had read the release notes.

[-] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

My first freenet impression from reading some articles gives me 90s internet vibes based on the common use cases they listed.

That's correct, I meant the way it works.

[-] Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz 5 points 9 hours ago

Most of us can't afford the sort of disk capacity they use, but it would be really cool if there were a project to give volunteers pieces of the archive so that information was spread out. Then volunteers could specify if they want to contribute a few gigabytes to multiple terabytes of drive space towards the project and the software could send out packets any time the content changes. Hmm this description sounds familiar but I can't think of what else might be doing something similar -- anyone know of anything like that that could be applied to the archive?

[-] njordomir@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago

Yeah, the projects I've heard about that have done something like this broke it into multiples.

For example, 1000GB could be broken into forty 25GB torrents and within that, you can tell the client to only download some of the files.

At scale, a webpage can show the seed/leach numbers and averages foe each torrent over a time period to give an idea of what is well mirrored and what people can shore up. You could also change which torrent is shown as the top download when people go to the contributor page and say they want to help host it ensuring a better distribution.

[-] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

Since I'm spamming with this same idea right now - the description is similar to Freenet (the old one, the Hyphanet), but you'd need some kind of ability to choose parts of which collections of data get stored in your contributed storage, while with Freenet it's all the network (unless you form a separated F2F net, there is such an option, but no way to be sure that all peers, ahem, store only IA data and not their own porn collections, for example, taking precious storage). I've described one idea in my previous comment, but it's purely an idea, I'm nowhere close to having the knowledge to make such.

[-] Exeous@lemmy.world 14 points 19 hours ago

Like this idea

[-] dch82@lemmy.zip 28 points 20 hours ago

Not this crap again

[-] _sideffect@lemmy.world 19 points 19 hours ago
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