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submitted 1 day ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) by ToucheGoodSir@lemy.lol to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

Looks like my account was banned/restricted for the above interaction, have already sent the mods on world an email asking if they'd be willing to reverse that. Had an episode of psychosis a few months ago where I did say some offensive stuff, (understandably) got a 3 month ban on .lol for that, so could see my account having been flagged.

I uh, I don’t think it’s reasonable to expect people to check others profiles to ensure we are correctly pronouning them… when making a throw away comment that is less than 10 words involving a ludicrously common saying. Jerboa does not show users pronouns. I could switch to an app that DOES show the pronouns, do any Lemmings have a recommendation for a free Lemmy mobile app that has that feature?

Edit: Edie chimed in, Jerboa does show pronouns. It's a formatting issue with mobile vs browser (She has them on individual text lines so they don't appear on mobile).

Was just going to respond to the user in question to let them know I wasn't purposefully trying to offend that individual, to discover I'm not able to post or make comments on world now, so figured I'd see what y'alls opinion on the matter is.

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[-] ClassifiedPancake@discuss.tchncs.de 43 points 21 hours ago

I don’t think it’s necessary to check every profile for potential pitfalls when interacting with them. But honestly, in this case there is an obvious transgender flag in the profile name that should make you at least question your first assumption.

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[-] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 49 points 22 hours ago

If somebody corrects you about gender, just say woops, correct yourself, and move on. It's an honest mistake, a simple fix, and nobody should be offended. Especially online. If they are still offended, it's because they want to be.

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[-] tyler@programming.dev 67 points 23 hours ago

Doesn’t really matter here. The saying is “the man, the myth, the legend”. If you go changing every part of it you might as well have not said anything at all because it won’t make any sense.

[-] thepreciousboar@lemm.ee 15 points 22 hours ago

Agree. Some expressions become so iconic they get genderless. Just like sometimes it's accept to use "man" and "dude" as a genderless exclamation

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[-] shapesandstuff@feddit.org 17 points 23 hours ago

The Ma'am the myth the legend is right there though :D

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[-] Pandantic@midwest.social 17 points 19 hours ago

No, if they want to be gendered appropriately, they should have it in their username.

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[-] 2kool4idkwhat@lemdro.id 18 points 20 hours ago

I generally just use gender neutral language. I would check the person's bio before using a phrase like that tho, especially if they have a trans flag emoji in their name

That being said, getting banned/restricted for that comment alone seems a bit extreme to me tho

[-] mathemachristian@hexbear.net 25 points 22 hours ago

It's reasonable, especially if they got a trans flag in their name. But even if not, it's one click and a swipe back.

[-] basmati@lemmus.org 3 points 13 hours ago

This is why gender abolition should've won out.

[-] dumbass@leminal.space 31 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

You are supposed to do deep research on the person you're commenting to....

I barely even read usernames, plus Voyager App doesn't show profile bios, so even if I wanted to check their profile I can't and I'm sure as fuck not using the mobile website to get the information.

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[-] chillBurner@lemmy.ml 6 points 17 hours ago

Uh, yes, but its a mutual misunderstanding from both sides...

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[-] BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 14 points 20 hours ago

Nah it can’t be expected

[-] Apytele@sh.itjust.works 24 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

I'm pretty apathetic to gender in general but I've had gender confirming surgery to be NB which I guess technically makes me trans and to be prefectly honest I've never felt more judged for it than by the lemmy LGBTQ+ community. The 50y/o southern man that was my nursing supervisor back when I was a new graduate was more respectful of my gender and lived experiences than these people. Honestly the thing they seem to hate most is specifically me expressing apathy for gender; I've mentioned that my transness expresses itself by not caring about the whole pronoun thing or needing to have any specific pronouns for myself personally, but that I understand it's a matter of respect for others and I've literally gotten banned for saying that. Like almost exactly that. They're absolutely hateful bastards for no reason other than that they're upset and need everybody else to be upset too. I'm lucky I have a handful of supportive people irl because I sure asf wasn't gonna find it here!

[-] ToucheGoodSir@lemy.lol 5 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Going to dig through your comment history later, im curious to see what has been said o.o reminds me of the greentext of the black guy telling a story at a party of all white people, and he says the N word and a white girl asks him to not say that as it makes her uncomfortable and the black dude mentally is like "?????? Are you fr?.."

Telling people not to do something when it makes you uncomfortable, for sure, that's adulting 101. Hoooowever... Feel that shows how much social interaction that gal has actually had with African Americans outside of a professional setting.. not much :|

[-] Apytele@sh.itjust.works 7 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

It probably doesn't help that I'm incredibly irreverent of pretty much everything. I got really into western esoteric spirituality this past year (its really been helping me with introspection and integrating my personality in ways that neither secular therapy or my fundie upbringing ever quite fully did on their own) but at the same time I refuse to take any religion seriously, especially not my own.

Anyway someone in a related community got upset at me for having my irreverent attitude because I was "culturally appropriating" tarot cards from PoC and like dude. Look up where that shit is from its Northern Italy where my family is from just two generations ago they were fresh off the boat when the War was starting. You're appropriating tarot from me. And if you want to get into the specific spiritual / divinatory usage that's even fucking whiter. The closest you're gonna get to claiming cultural appropriation is if you go all the way back before the tarot to the mummy dust the hermetic order of the golden dawn were probably mixing into the coke they were snorting while making that shit the fuck up based on their judeo-christian / classical mythology crossover fanfiction.

People just wanna be mad about shit and at this point I really don't have the energy to spend appeasing people who have already decided to be mad at me. Imma just be over here using these cards to let my subconscious tell me which level of Maslow's hierarchy of needs I fucked up this week.

[-] basmati@lemmus.org 3 points 13 hours ago

If any human gets upset about cultural appropriation, they're not smart enough to continue engaging with. That whole karenesque idea should've died when it was about braids in white peoples hair.

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[-] TheDoctor@hexbear.net 34 points 1 day ago

What app do you use? Last I checked, pronouns are part of display names for Hexbear users. You shouldn’t have to check profiles. That’s the whole point of them being included in display names. Your app would ideally just respect display names and it would require no extra effort on your part to gender people correctly.

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If they don't list their pronouns and i can't tell by their speech i just go neutral. Checking profiles for gender is definitely not considered necessary in the circles i run in. If poster doesn't make it clear and doesn't have pronouns listed honest mistakes will be made and forgiven

[-] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 day ago

Using a client that shows the pronouns in hexbear is good and it sounds like you are doing that now.

As a follow up, I recommend approaching gender just as one would if they were bring mindful with new people. If you don't know pronouns, using they/them is a fine way to start referring to someone neutrally. You can also just use their name. It is considerate to then figure out what they prefer in a non-awkward way, either by how others talk or by just asking them nicely. Having pronouns displayed by names is just helpful for clarity and speeding things up online.

[-] tobogganablaze@lemmus.org 22 points 1 day ago
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