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submitted 2 months ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/politics@lemmy.world

Something is wrong with this split-screen picture. On one side, former president Donald Trump rants about mass deportations and claims to have stopped "wars with France," after being described by his longest-serving White House chief of staff as a literal fascist. On the other side, commentators debate whether Vice President Kamala Harris performed well enough at a CNN town hall to "close the deal."

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Let’s review: First, Harris was criticized for not doing enough interviews — so she did multiple interviews, including with nontraditional media. She was criticized for not doing hostile interviews — so she went toe to toe with Bret Baier of Fox News. She was criticized as being comfortable only at scripted rallies — so she did unscripted events, such as the town hall on Wednesday. Along the way, she wiped the floor with Trump during their one televised debate.

Trump, meanwhile, stands before his MAGA crowds and spews nonstop lies, ominous threats, impossible promises and utter gibberish. His rhetoric is dismissed, or looked past, without first being interrogated.

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[-] VantaBrandon@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

And yet you spineless fucking cowards didn't endorse, so your words mean nothing

[-] whyNotSquirrel@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 months ago

Ended wars with France? Like when we deserted Afghanistan and left them in the mess we created?

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[-] WoahWoah@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I hate to be a downer, but "it's not fair" doesn't really matter at this point. Trump continues to gain, and he's babbling incoherently most days and being quite clear that he plans to be a fascist from day one. Whether it's fair or not, there's is a huge double standard. If Harris does anything wrong she loses support. Trump daily explains gleefully how he's going to take away civil rights, begin mass deportations, purge the federal government and fill it with loyalists, and on, and on, and on, and on, and he's been slowly but steadily gaining support for a month.

Is there a huge, glaring double standard? Yes, absolutely. Does it matter for the blunt reality of the upcoming election? No, not at all.

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[-] sudoer777@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 months ago

Trump is targeting mostly far-right evangelicals who have a common vision on what they want the country to look like. He has a lot of energy when doing so, and because of how similar their interests are he could get away with all sorts of stuff and they would still vote for him.

Harris (and Democrats in general) is the only alternative mainstream candidate that everyone else has, and that "everyone else" consists of all sorts of people with conflicting interests: liberals, neoliberals, centrists, progressives, leftists, different religious groups or cultures, varying economic demographics, racial minorities, LGBTQ, and immigrants for instance. They're trying to appeal to all of them at once, but because they don't have a shared vision, nobody is happy and they get more scrutinized. To make at least some of them happy, they need to focus on certain groups and deprioritize the interests of other groups. However, once they do that then the groups they deprioritize get angry since they no longer have representation, and the groups that are still there remain skeptical because of the history of not working for their interests in the past.

The advantage that third parties like PSL have is that from the start, they're trying to appeal to a specific group of people with a common vision like Trump is instead of trying to play both sides with conflicting groups and making nobody happy. The problem (aside from the election duopoly bought out by corporations) is that they are a very small political minority so they have no real chance of winning the election without winning over people from other groups which is a challenge, especially when there are many more unknowns when it comes to progressing than there are when it comes to reverting to a previous state so there is more fragmentation due to those sort of disagreements.

[-] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

First rule of resisting tyranny:

Don’t obey in advance!!

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[-] Krauerking@lemy.lol 6 points 2 months ago

It's not about being perfect. It's about not regressing to a 2004 republican. That doesn't appealt to Republicans who have moved further right and not to the left who refuse to budge.

It's willful ignorance to complain that she needs to be perfect when the people complaining are often specific about the things they care about that are being ignored.

And if those are being ignored you can be shocked they won't vote for her and you must admit she's clearly not courting those voters either.

This is either a non-issue cause she is going for exactly the voters she wants or she's willingly creating a flaw by deciding to court votes that won't be enough to win.
I don't get how this is still an argument. It's happening exactly as participants are making it happen.

[-] Ioughttamow@fedia.io 5 points 2 months ago

Affirmative action for morons

[-] Rhaedas@fedia.io 5 points 2 months ago

The problem isn't having a high standards for Harris. She is running for the most powerful position in probably the world, so she has to be able to do this. The problem is there is no standard for Trump at all. His supporters are fine with his low quality for lots of reasons, none that are helpful to the nation. The GOP is fine because of the votes he brings by being himself and saying things they think but couldn't say out loud. And the rest, like the media and the left and other country leaders are soft on calling a spade a spade because somehow pointing out the Emperor has no clothes and is shitting all over the furniture is not playing fair or isn't respectful or something.

[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

It's been like this for nearly as long as I can remember.

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