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Data on search engine market share is available, but I wonder what that looks like for Lemmy users in particular, who I would assume lean more technical than the average user, so probably use DuckDuckGo and alternates more than Google.

I use a mix of DuckDuckGo and Kagi. I'll also use ChatGPT, which can be good if you're careful to verify the answers it gives you as a check against hallucinations. It's useful for short, direct answers without ads or SEO bullshit.

This article on Ars (and if you're not a subscriber, you absolutely should be, as they are the best tech journalists out there) inspired the question: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/06/google-admits-reddit-protests-make-it-harder-to-find-helpful-search-results

Fucking Reddit. Enshittification ruins everything.

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[-] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 5 points 2 years ago

Self-hosted Searxng. It's shared to multiple people which kills a lot of the usefulness in Google or others trying to track my instance.

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[-] eight_byte@feddit.de 5 points 2 years ago

Kagi. Very happy with it. Best $5 it recently invested. Gives me much better results than Google and all the others.

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[-] ICastFist@programming.dev 5 points 2 years ago

I use mostly either ddg or brave search. I miss the google of pre 2010, when the majority of its results were good.

I also use Yandex whenever I'm looking for pirate stuff, the only engine that doesn't block those kinds of results.

[-] Kir@feddit.it 5 points 2 years ago

I don't understand why lots of you answer with chatGPT. It's not a search engine! And you shouldn't use it like a search engine.

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[-] sorchist@beehaw.org 4 points 2 years ago

I've been using DuckDuckGo since, at least 2010, maybe earlier. If its results aren't up to snuff, I'm not aware of that because they're what I'm used to. I fall through to Google ( !g) if I think there might be more out there. The bang commands are so good. I use DDG as my main search in my search bar and then I can use the bang commands to get to whatever specialized search I want from there. It's a meta-search-engine.

[-] mollusk@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 2 years ago

I run my own searx instance

[-] jadenity@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago

As someone who's only recently heard of SearXNG, why searx and not SearXNG?

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[-] kamen@beehaw.org 3 points 2 years ago

I've been using DuckDuckGo as my main search engine for the past couple of years. I occasionally fall back to Google.

[-] Keesrif@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago

I was in this camp but find that the results I've gotten from DDG have been notably worse for the last year or so, to the point that I don't expect useful results to come out of it any more at this point. Even if I searched "site name" because I couldn't remember the URL was spelled "site-name.com" I've had no results coming from DDG, while Google had it as the first hit.

Have you experienced something similar? Are there techniques or workarounds I'm not aware of?

[-] kamen@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago

Sadly, yes, and instances like this have me falling back to Google. I'd happily try something else, but I'm a bit at a loss right now. What would you suggest as another search engine to try?

[-] lentilhoarder@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Thanks for making me aware of Kagi, I've been trialing it and getting decent results is a breath of fresh air in a world of blogspam and LLM garbage.

[-] Klinkertinlegs@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago

I use DuckDuckGo. Including using their browser on iOS and windows.

[-] ian@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 2 years ago

https://www.marginalia.nu/

Currently down for updates, but does a great job of avoiding SEO abuse/blog spam/etc. Takes you back to the earlier days of the internet when it felt like there were more forums/individual sites/etc. They’re still out there, just hidden under all the junk.

[-] bill@lemmy.fmhy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Thanks I look forward to trying this.

[-] LordChaos82@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 years ago

I use my selfhosted Whoogle instance for search

[-] crab@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago

duck duck go on firefox.

[-] kscutsforth@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago

Duck Duck Go is the only search engine I use. Switched away from Google for privacy reasons and haven't missed it a bit.

[-] QuestionMark@vlemmy.net 2 points 2 years ago

Currently DuckDuckGo, but I will switch to SearXNG because of this.

[-] nachtigall@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago

Qwant (but I hate all search engines nowadays)

[-] smellythief@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago

Kagi on iOS and Mac. DDG w/Google on Android because my preferred Android browser, Vivaldi, doesn't offer Kagi. Anyone know how to default Vivaldi to Kagi?

[-] thatonedude1210@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago

DuckDuckGo here.

[-] PurpleReign@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

I exclusively use AltaVista.

[-] kalipike@lemmy.one 1 points 2 years ago

I'll give a search on Duck Duck Go, and if I can't find what I need then I'll use Google.

But at this point I'm using Google Bard and ChatGPT more and more, at least at work.

[-] kuchaibee@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago

DDG for everyday usage. Sometimes I try searching the same things on google just to compare results. I've tried searxng instances on and off in the past but its rarely been reliable for me and self hosting isn't really an option for me.

[-] xray@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago

DuckDuckGo. Google if DDG isn't cutting it.

[-] rnd@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago

DuckDuckGo for me personally.

[-] jherazob@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago

I use DuckDuckGo, but mostly as a "terminal to the internet". In a few keystrokes i've opened a new tab, navigated to the homepage (https://start.duckduckgo.com/), then used a Bang to do a direct search inside the particular site or thing i need. For many things specially tech questions i do fall back to Google though

[-] PlushySD@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago

Duck Duck Go too

[-] Silejonu@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

DuckDuckGo, but mostly because of the !bangs. I do 90% of my searches through StartPage (!s), and the rest directly on a few websites (Wikipedia, YouTube, Arch wiki...).

[-] ayla@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago

I switched to DDG almost entirely because of the !w bang — Google massively downranking/hiding Wikipedia links made it a lot less useful to me.

[-] PeterBronez@hachyderm.io 1 points 2 years ago

@SemioticStandard Kagi. I used DDG for a long time, and Kagi is strictly better. Specifically, it’s very snappy and I trust the privacy guarantees even more since I’m a paying customer.

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[-] LinkOpensChest_wav@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago

I'm still looking for a search engine that doesn't use data from my IP address to provide targeted results. In the meantime, I've gone back and forth between using SearXNG instances and using Startpage, but there's really not a decent search engine in existence, from what I can tell.

[-] LoafyLemon@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

DuckDuckGo. Its results are much better than Google's in my experience. Whenever I Google something, all I get is a list of online stores I've never heard of, and they have nothing to do with my search input.

[-] sab@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

For me the main thing that makes me stick to DDG is the bangs - adding for example !wiki in the beginning of a search term to search directly in Wikipedia. It is a game changer, especially as I often need to search in specific sources for work. For example, !scholar for direct access to Google Scholar is great.

Whenever I think Google will provide better results it's as easy as !g - but I am also experiencing that the results are increasingly unhelpful (often geared towards shopping rather than information).

[-] ViolentBadgers@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

Google and ChatGPT, I tried DDG several years ago, but the results were not good, might try it again

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