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Data on search engine market share is available, but I wonder what that looks like for Lemmy users in particular, who I would assume lean more technical than the average user, so probably use DuckDuckGo and alternates more than Google.

I use a mix of DuckDuckGo and Kagi. I'll also use ChatGPT, which can be good if you're careful to verify the answers it gives you as a check against hallucinations. It's useful for short, direct answers without ads or SEO bullshit.

This article on Ars (and if you're not a subscriber, you absolutely should be, as they are the best tech journalists out there) inspired the question: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/06/google-admits-reddit-protests-make-it-harder-to-find-helpful-search-results

Fucking Reddit. Enshittification ruins everything.

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[-] ADHDefy@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

I typically use StartPage, sometimes DDG. Occasionally I pop in and check out how Brave Search is progressing, out of curiosity.

I would love to use Searx, but I've never found an instance where functionality wasn't breaking all the time or it just randomly goes offline. As much as I want to be, I've learned that I'm not much of a self-hoster. So, yeah, every time I try Searx, I wind up back at StartPage. If anyone has any solid, reliable instances they know of, I'd love to check them out.

[-] BaroqueInMind@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

The only correct answer here is to use an instance of SearXNG because it's open source, utilizes privacy, and queries every kind of search engine that exists on the internet.

[-] therealcaptncrunch67@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

This.

Plus some instances like searx.tiekoetter.com replace links to page that contain ads and trackers with their alternative (twitter with nitter, YouTube with Invidious, reddit with libreddit, etc).

[-] BenGFHC@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

Do you know of a way i can implement that on an instance i'm self-hosting?

[-] Anarch157a@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

This thread inspired me to stop procrastinating and deploy my own instance. On a brand new Debian 12 install (an LXC container in Proxmox), the process is absolutely simple and painless.

[-] speck@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago

Dunno what it portends, but that link has an update that "SearX instances (not SearXNG) will soon get removed from this list"

[-] BaroqueInMind@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago
[-] benx@kolektiva.social 1 points 2 years ago

@BaroqueInMind @SemioticStandard @speck

Looks nice. Wondering how many times people get confused by the project description, though, when they read "privacy respecting" immediately followed up by "hackable". 🙃

[-] Easy_Fox@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

DDG, Google maps, and lately I have been using chatGPT for some technical stuff.

[-] papegaai@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago

Bing and DDG.

[-] billy4479@feddit.it 1 points 2 years ago

i use brave search (even if i'm on firefox), it gives good results while having an independent index

[-] chri_ho@feddit.de 1 points 2 years ago

I am a long time DuckDuckGo user. I came for privacy and stayed because of the features.

[-] xusontha@l.buckodr.ink 1 points 1 year ago

I use Ecosia. It works quite well, and if I ever need to search something on Google instead (like a coin flip/stock ticker) you can just do #g or #yt for Youtube They also plant trees and are carbon negative

[-] Midou@kbin.projectsegfau.lt 1 points 2 years ago

SearXNG, searches every search engine and regroups them in a single list, alongside the very powerful "bang" variant they use ("!!" is like "!" for ddg, and "!" is to only search with this search engine, ":en" is to choose a specific shortcode language.)

[-] Fizz@lemmy.nz 1 points 2 years ago

Duck duck go. Google for maps

[-] Usernameblankface@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

Google, duck duck go when I don't want to see ads for days based on what I'm searching, Bing and Perplexity when I want to avoid doing a series of searches to learn something.

[-] acow@programming.dev 1 points 2 years ago

Are you using DDG in addition to Kagi because of Kagi's limited number of searches per month, or because DDG does something better?

I'm a bit conflicted about Kagi because $5/month is a plausible price, but the limited number of searches seems like it would add an extra step of, "Do I want to use my limited search resource on this search?" to every search, which is an unwanted extra bit of friction.

[-] SevYote@pawb.social 1 points 2 years ago

I've been using Kagi for a couple weeks. I've so far found it to be excellent. One thing to note is it supports DDG-style bangs, and those don't count against your search quota, so getting used to using them for wiki, youtube, IMDB, etc., is worth it. I also bumped up to the $10 plan, just to wash out any second-guessing on searches, although the price even if you exceed your quota is pretty cheap, and it seems like most people probably do far fewer searches than I do.

I still find DDG to be pretty terrible, but I have very occasionally fallen back to google, mainly for specifically searches for businesses / services near me, that kind of thing, or for searches for very recent things - somebody had posted a screenshot of an article on IIRC Fortune Magazine's site. I wanted to read it, and it turned out the article was only a few hours old at that time. Google had it indexed, but Kagi didn't yet.

For more general searches and technical searches I do for work, though, it's been very very good, and those are the most important searches, to me.

[-] JeSuisUnHombre@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

I've been using Ecosia for a while and liking it. I think the results are usually better than Google and the image search is way more useful, still gives you direct links to the image files. Though most importantly I like planting trees.

[-] davehtaylor@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago

They're all garbage. Content farms and SEO nonsense has been flooding search engines with useless garbage for years. Either that or pages that simply copy forum threads over and over and over so you get a whole results page of what appears to be different sites, but are all a copy of the same forum thread from 2007. Or they grab your search string and then you have a page that looks like it's exactly what you need, only to find out it's scammy bullshit. But AI is making that whole problem exponentially worse.

I've tried DDG many many times over the years. Sometimes it's ok. But overall, most of the results i get just aren't relevant, and it seems like over the last year or two DDG's results have gotten way worse. I always end up back on Google. As crappy as Google is, the results still end up being more relevant overall.

[-] Thalestr@beehaw.org 0 points 2 years ago

Used to use SearXNG but got increasingly frustrated with it, so I mostly use DDG these days. Although, that being said, most search engines these days are filled with SEO clickbait trash which makes it basically mandatory to do site:reddit.com

Might have to try Kagi some day, despite my reservations about their pricing.

[-] SemioticStandard@beehaw.org 0 points 2 years ago

What frustrated you about SearXNG?

[-] Thalestr@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Many SearXNG hosts alter your search results without any easy way of opting out. For example, several will change Reddit links to Libreddit or use another frontend for Wikipedia and so on. Doing this, and not giving an accessible option to disable it, is unacceptable in my opinion. A search engine has no business in tampering with someone's results like this. If someone wishes to use Libreddit then that is their choice to do so - not the search provider's.

[-] nameless_prole@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago

Can we stop trying to coin cute terms like "enshittification"? What that term describes is just capitalism working as intended.

There is a term that describes this behavior that we've been using for at least decades (to describe behavior that has happened since the inception of capitalism): rent seeking.

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[-] naoseiquemsou@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago

Do you know if ecosia is still using google under the hoods?

[-] bstix@feddit.dk 1 points 2 years ago

Apparently not, but the (usable) results are much the same. Ecosia was borrowing from yahoo and bing, but they changed that some years ago.

I have no idea of what or how they're doing it now, but then I also only search explicit things. I never liked the idea of a search engine trying to understand what I was actually looking for, so I state myself clearly in that regard.

[-] tenet@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago

A combination of DDG and Google. DDG's results too often look like a list of sponsors so when that happens I fuck right back off to Google.

Get an ad blocker, get Privacy Badger, use a VPN, experience the internet the way it was before corporate shitbags got hold of it. Mostly.

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