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In a surprising turn of events, a well-known flat-earther conceded that his long-held conspiracy theory was incorrect after embarking on a 9,000-mile journey to Antarctica.

YouTuber Jeran Campanella traveled to the southernmost continent to witness a 24-hour sun - a phenomenon that would be impossible if the Earth were flat.

"I realize that I'll be called a shill for just saying that and you know what, if you're a shill for being honest so be it - I honestly believed there was no 24-hour sun... I honestly now believe there is. That's it," added Campanella.

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Campanella still didn't fully embrace the globe Earth model: “I won’t say the Earth is a perfect sphere,” then said, after first admitting he was wrong.

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The expedition was part of the Final Experiment project, organized by Colorado pastor Will Duffy, who "hopes to end the debate over the shape of the Earth."

The expedition was part of the Final Experiment project, organized by Colorado pastor Will Duffy, who "hopes to end the debate over the shape of the Earth."

He arranged an expedition in which four flat Earthers and four "globe Earthers" were flown to Antarctica to witness the continent's midnight Sun. Antarctica's Midnight Sun is one of many proofs that the Earth is spherical. It can only occur on a tilted and rotating sphere, and the axial tilt during summer positions the South Pole to face the Sun continuously for 24 hours.

Flat Earthers often claim that the Antarctic Treaty of 1959 prevents civilians from visiting the southernmost continent in an attempt to hide the true shape of planet Earth. However, Pastor Duffy wanted to demonstrate that this wasn't the case.

"I created The Final Experiment to end this debate, once and for all. After we go to Antarctica, no one has to waste any more time debating the shape of the Earth," Duffy declared in a statement. "This is, of course, assuming that the entire "experiment" isn't just an elaborate prank designed to fool us 'globe Earthers.' It seems highly unlikely, but we'll keep you posted if anything changes – not that we're trying to sound conspiratorial or paranoid."

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[-] ohwhatfollyisman@lemmy.world 185 points 6 days ago

this person should be celebrated, not ridiculed. we all could stand to learn from him no matter how divergent our views on life are.

he sought evidence willingly and did not dismiss it out of hand when it didn't support his hypothesis. in fact, he has gone further and rejected that hypothesis.

his starting point may have been misinformed but he has had the courage to use the scientific method to recalibrate. i salute him.

[-] Lauchs@lemmy.world 44 points 6 days ago

Exactlty. I found this a really uplifting story.

[-] Lodespawn@aussie.zone 33 points 6 days ago

I like that he refuses to believe it's a perfect sphere, like someone has been trying to convince him of that.

It's those pesky perfect sphere earthers we need to watch out for. What have they got against bulges?!

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[-] ByteJunk@lemmy.world 34 points 6 days ago

Kudos to the guy for admitting he was wrong, but I wouldn't celebrate it too much.

If they're able to disregard and misinterpret all the available proof regarding Earth's shape, something is fundamentally wrong. Either they lack the... mental acuity to deal with abstract concepts, or they're severely lacking in critical thinking.

At least the second one can be overcome if one commits to learning in a structured way, but the first one...

[-] mortemtyrannis@lemmy.ml 10 points 6 days ago

Neither of those reasons are necessarily required to believe in a conspiracy theory.

Plenty of objectively smart people succumb to conspiracy theories. I am almost certain you have unfounded beliefs that when scrutinised make no logical sense.

Often it is just that a person has been disenfranchised and in a vulnerable position where seizing upon a conspiracy theory gives them a sense of control, community and power.

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[-] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 12 points 5 days ago

He dug in his heels and refused any facts and evidence until someone else spent a pile of money to give him something he could no longer argue with.

Yes, he finally admitted the earth may not be flat. Things everyone with a brain already knew. Refusing to listen to experts and insisting you know better until you personally are given special treatment to be shown you are wrong is not something to be applauded.

Fuck this guy for taking it this far.

[-] DandomRude@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I think that everyone has forfeited the right to be taken seriously if they simply refuse to acknowledge proven facts until there is no way left to hold on to their crude claims. I think it is even dangerous to take this seriously, because it legitimizes hostility towards science and ultimately harms an objective public discourse based on verifiable arguments. Of course, everyone should be free to express their opinion, but they must also be held accountable for their actions.

I think the efforts of climate change deniers are a especially vivid example of the danger posed by the normalization of irrational pseudo-arguments and factually untenable denialism. This issue, like many others, is largely beyond direct human experience, but that does not mean that climate change is not real. So you can't even fly these people to the melting glaciers to convince them, which is out of the question anyway because their denialism is actually motivated by purely selfish goals, namely the avoidance of measures to combat climate change that would harm their financial interests or threaten their lifestyle. In such cases I think that it is perfectly legitimate to simply dismiss these outlandish claims as nonsense and expose their authors as mere charlatans.

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[-] then_three_more@lemmy.world 80 points 6 days ago

Campanella still didn't fully embrace the globe Earth model: "I won't say the Earth is a perfect sphere,"

This is correct. It's an oblate spheroid, calling it a perfect sphere is an incorrect simplification.

[-] petersr@lemmy.world 18 points 6 days ago

Still gets closer to the truth than calling it flat.

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[-] Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee 65 points 6 days ago

Do I also get a free trip to Antarctica, if I pretend to be fucking retarded?

[-] Thcdenton@lemmy.world 23 points 6 days ago

The hard part isn't being a dumbass, the hard part is being a 'well known' dumbass

[-] Nasan@sopuli.xyz 10 points 6 days ago

Gotta be the loudest and most dumb of asses.

[-] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 10 points 6 days ago

You could become president with an attitude like that!

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[-] blackn1ght@feddit.uk 21 points 6 days ago

What they failed to mention in the article is that the four flat earthers didn't have a return ticket.

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[-] GaMEChld@lemmy.world 32 points 5 days ago

The Earth is not a perfect sphere, nor is it argued to be. It is an oblate spheroid. It bulges at the equator due to the spinning. Additionally, if it were perfectly spherical, we wouldn't have changes in elevation, mountains, etc.

[-] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 12 points 5 days ago

If I shrunk it down to the same size the earth would be smoother than a billiard ball.

Yup. The earth is definitely not round, but we only really notice the hills and valleys because of the scale. The earth may not be smooth when you’re a tiny organism living on it, but it is smooth when you’re looking at it from a much larger perspective.

[-] KneeTitts@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago

Well the problem with flat earthers has never been lack of evidence, its mental illness and gulibility

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[-] Lodespawn@aussie.zone 58 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Yo I also don't believe the earth is spherical, someone should fund sending me to Antarctica to prove me wrong

[-] Justas@sh.itjust.works 23 points 6 days ago

A lot of flat earthers when asked if they want to go, refused. What a bunch of idiots, that trip is expensive and makes you the coolest person in the room.

[-] Thorry84@feddit.nl 18 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

All of the people that were asked were prominent online personas in the flat earth space. Aka grifters who have made their day job out of talking nonsense and duping people. They would not just be ousted from the community they are currently in, they would also lose their income.

Just convincing any old smuk wouldn't be useful, so flat earth "influencers" were asked.

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[-] DrunkenPirate@feddit.org 8 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I second you. Let’s start a YT channel and contact Pastor Duffy for a ticket later.

Btw we‘ll take our biggest fans with us. Join our channel

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[-] Salvo@aussie.zone 45 points 6 days ago

The most surprising thing is that a Flat Earther actually admitted that they were wrong!

[-] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 13 points 6 days ago

That's the point, yes.

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 26 points 6 days ago

Campanella still didn’t fully embrace the globe Earth model: “I won’t say the Earth is a perfect sphere,” then said, after first admitting he was wrong.

Lol whatever lets you save face, bud... But FYI, scientists don't believe this either.

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[-] intensely_human@lemm.ee 13 points 5 days ago

Flat earth theory is flat ocean theory. It can be tested with a telescope on an tripod and any land mass at least 10 miles away over the ocean.

One doesn’t need to go to the ends of the map to disprove flat earth. Just far enough to see whether the surface of the ocean is curved or not.

[-] FeloniousPunk@lemmy.today 6 points 4 days ago

When many different people tell you that you are a fucking moron, at some point you need to listen and reassess.

[-] HumanPenguin@feddit.uk 3 points 4 days ago

Darwin would have to disagree.

Heck a large part our planets science history were considered morons when they proposed ideas.

This guy trully is a moron. But the human races history of collective judgement is far from good.

[-] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 26 points 6 days ago

Good for them for admitting thier mistake. Respect.

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[-] Nastybutler@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

All I know is that if I was a hiring manager for any position above fry cook, my first question for potential hires would be to ask if they believe the earth is round. If they answer "no" it would save me a lot of time.

[-] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago

can't ask people about their personal beliefs directly. you could form it from a series of questions though.

  • are you willing to travel across the globe for client needs?
  • how many flights would it take you to get from here to x if you flew around the planet?
  • what shape is our planet?
[-] Nastybutler@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

How about "Is the earth round?" It's an objective fact, not a question about beliefs.

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[-] lud@lemm.ee 4 points 4 days ago

Seems excessive to go to Antarctica to get 24 hour sun. Just go to upper Sweden or something.

[-] gex@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

They believe the south pole is the edge of the earth, so a 24 hour earth is only possible in the north pole

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[-] mayidar@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago

Sorry for my ignorance but why didn't they just go to the Arctic, it should be much cheaper and one don't have to go straight to the Pole, northernmost parts of Canada, Alaska, or Europe would be enough to witness 24-hours sun. I personally was to the north of the Arctic circle and the polar day was lit. And it was as cheap and easy as buy one railway ticket from Moscow.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 33 points 6 days ago

In many flat earth models they envision the arctic as the center and Antarctica as the rim, in which case 24h daylight is possible in the former but not the latter.

[-] Nastybutler@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago

That is mind numbingly dumb. Do they think the sun hovers direct over the earth in the summer, then goes underneath in the winter? How would days and nights work anyway?

[-] Coskii@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 6 days ago

The same way it currently does, but the sun is significantly closer and smaller, also is has a range of light, like a lamp shade that makes sure the sun isn't always visible even though it's always above the disc earth, as is the moon (and don't even start trying to reason with the moons movements on a flat earth model, or explain either types of eclipse.. It only gets worse the deeper you look)

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[-] badbytes@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago

Why, do we give credence to the mentally insane. It's 2024.

[-] HumanPenguin@feddit.uk 4 points 4 days ago

Because its 2024. The mentally insane have way more ability to be heard then ever.

Prior to the 2000s they never had much option to talk to each other.

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[-] Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk 8 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Was that 9,000 one way or was it for the round trip?

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[-] jaybone@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago

The debate over the shape of the earth???

Obviously you can come up with an explanation for the 24 hour sun. These people just aren’t trying hard enough.

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