The shady world of Brave selling copyrighted data for AI training : technology

[-] brb@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I never understood why anyone would use Brave, the payouts are small, the utility of the crypto is zero, and watching/seeing adverts is a nightmare. I honestly believe that blocking all advertising and sending a small monetary amount to someone providing value is a better way of supporting the people you care about.

[-] dan@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I use Firefox over Brave simply because I have much more trust that Mozilla won’t suddenly turn into dicks.

(Also because Firefox is awesome now, and because competition in the browser world is a good thing, but it’s mainly the probably-not-being-dicks thing)

[-] jeffw@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I got downvoted to shit on Reddit for saying stuff like this (on the weirdly frequent posts about how great Brave is)

Ig I’ve found my people now

[-] messem10@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Not that Mozilla has been 100% great either. Remember the Mr. Robot debacle?

If not: https://www.theverge.com/2017/12/16/16784628/mozilla-mr-robot-arg-plugin-firefox-looking-glass

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[-] DessertStorms@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

the payouts

wait, what? I was just looking for a search engine that does least tracking and brave was recommended a few times, so I use that, but have never seen any ads or been offered any payout? Am I doing it wrong? (for the record, if they'd offered me payment to watch ads I would have never even installed it in the first place, and will now be removing it as my default on firefox)

[-] snek@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

I don't think people use Brave for any crypto stuff all that much. I use it to block ads.

[-] Sarcastik@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

I used it for the perceived level of privacy they pretended to offer. Guess I'm switching to Firefox tomorrow.

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[-] Glitterkoe@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Tried it for a week or two, but since I reinstalled Firefox I really don't understand why I was judging/hating so much in the past years. Yes, Chrome/ium used to be waaaay faster, but Mozilla just has their shit together most of the time. The Debian of browsers so to speak.

[-] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Firefox is GOAT, but I do have Brave installed on my phone specifically for playing YouTube. The Brave browser automatically blocks YouTube ads, allows me to play videos in windowed mode, and allows me to play videos with the screen off.

I don’t do anything else in Brave, so I’ll probably hang onto it as basically a YouTube app.

[-] ICastFist@programming.dev 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You might want to look into NewPipe then. Lets you do all those things with YT, plus you can also download the videos or their audio only

[-] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I’m on an iPhone, which I why I don’t use all the other things Android people suggest.

Brave has been about the only thing I’ve found that works and is easy for iPhone.

[-] AngryJadeRabbit@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

If you’re on apple I’d recommend giving Orion browser a try. It blocks all ads by default, including YouTube. It’s become my default browser on all my devices.

[-] Martenz05@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago

I still remember why: Mozilla fired Brendan Eich, the man who would go on to found Brave, for donating to Christian charities in the politically polarised climate of 2016. After Eich went, they also quietly purged any other employees that showed even a hint of conservative sympathies in their internet presence. They then went on to "experiment" with pushing browser ads on users, and while they eventually ended the experiment because of massive user backlash, they still made no apologies and didn't abandon the idea. Just made a final public response dripping with PR bullshit with a patronising conclusion along the lines of "internet users just aren't ready for this change yet".

[-] laylawashere44@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 year ago

Brandon Eich was fired because he was constantly giving money to politicians and groups that were advocating for the banning of same sex marriage. Also funding the campaign of congressman Tom McClintock, a certified piece of shit, Who denies climate change, is against LGBTQ rights, and was among the republicans trying to overturn the 2020 election.

[-] jerdle_lemmy@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

Yes. That is political affiliation. You might not share it, but whether same-sex marriage should be legal is absolutely a political question, even if it is now outside the Overton window.

Personally, I'm not sure I support any form of state marriage, but if it exists, it should include same-sex marriage.

[-] SuddenDownpour@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

If your political affiliation implies creating second-class citizens that may be discriminated against due to innate characteristics or harmless behavior, don't expect me to respect your political identity, to not to discriminate against it, or to give a damn when you find yourself kicked out of places because of it.

[-] ram@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago

So he was fired for his political affiliation.

[+] ch1cken@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

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[-] Makeshift@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago

Every single one of these Brave "scandals" are so irrelevant and meaningless. I was hoping the reddit hive mind wouldn't be brought over to lemmy, but here we are.

This article, especially after the update from Brave, seems like a huge nothing-burger. Just another excuse for the Firefox Fanatics crowd to rag on Brave and circlejerk each other about how good Firefox is.

The article isn't even about Brave Browser, and it has nothing to do with user data. The website owner is mad that Brave Search is crawling their site and using data in their "Summarizer" feature. I thought Firefox users were supposed to be against the Google internet monopoly, but apparently when it comes to one of the only companies with their own independent and actually decent search engine, they don't seem to care anymore because of stupid "Firefox good brave bad" browser wars nonsense.

[-] Dusty@l.dusty-radio.com 0 points 1 year ago

After their crypto crap, this doesn't surprise me one bit.

And don't give me that "You can disable the crypto" the fact is, you shouldn't have to because it shouldn't have ever been included in the first place.

[-] ultimate_question@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Breaking their users' trust by appending attribution tags to their URLs should've been unforgivable but I still see people pushing their browser online

[-] CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago

I hope people finally quit that shit of a browser.

[-] howarddo@programming.dev 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

seem like a good place to shill my blog about switching browser and search engine. I recommend Librewolf on desktop and Mull on android tho. view this privacy comparison. For search engine, use StartPage, Whoogle (privacy frontend for Google) or SearXNG (search engine aggregator)

[-] JokeDeity@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago

I can't find Mull on the play store.

[-] howarddo@programming.dev 0 points 1 year ago

It's open-source and only on F-droid

[-] JokeDeity@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago

Thanks installing it now.

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[-] HughJanus@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

I actually use 5 different browsers:

Brave for work (need Chromium/Workspace integrations)
Mullvad for most things not work
LibreWolf simply because Mullvad can't be set as default
Ferdium for convenient containers for sites I am regularly logged into
Tor for "sensitive" browsing

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[-] redcalcium@c.calciumlabs.com 0 points 1 year ago

I heard chromium is easier to work with than gecko.

[-] fernandofig@reddthat.com 0 points 1 year ago

I heard the same - over a decade ago.

Not disagreeing with you, although that information might be outdated. But the fact that you don't see, e.g. , applications that use gecko to embed web content, speaks volumes. I get the feeling that their codebase is very monolithic.

I would really like to hear from a current or former contributor though.

[-] vinhill@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

https://web.archive.org/web/20191006213746/https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Gecko/Embedding_Mozilla/FAQ/Embedding_Gecko

It seems they cancelled support for embedding gecko.

[-] Ilgaz@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

As a previously paying, licensed Opera user I believe it was one of the reasons they went with chromium. Even Vivaldi (which is the true Opera) uses chromium. Giving up PWA support is another mistake.

[-] SOB_Van_Owen@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

Can anyone recommend a good alternative that works well under Linux and block ads and trackers well? In particular YouTube ads?

[-] Thorny_Thicket@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Their crypto autofill scandal is all one needs to know about this company. If you're marketing your browser as privacy focused and then pull stunts like that you lose all credibility in my eyes. Forever.

Firefox or go bust

[-] Professorozone@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

I don't understand this crypto auto fill thing. Can you explain it in simple terms? What is it. Why is it bad?

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[-] Nyaa@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

Not to mention the interesting bits of info you can find just by looking into the CEO of Brave, Brendan Eich. Plenty of reasons with him alone for someone to avoid the browser and search engine.

The big one that he likes to keep buried is that he donated money to an anti-gay marriage proposition in California back in 2011, which is what caused some of the pressure for him to step down as Mozilla CEO back in 2014 after being it for a few weeks.

[-] Qxzkjp@feddit.uk 0 points 1 year ago

Also, he invented JavaScript. He got on my shitlist permanently for that alone.

[-] Jim_Greece@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

That’s why i use Firefox.

[-] johnlobo@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

firefox is so laggy nowadays. the scrolling is also weird.

[-] boonhet@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

Upgrade to a computer built in the 2010s maybe?

[-] Ilgaz@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

Core2duo with Nvidia 9400 does very smooth scrolling once you use Wayland. Yes, Linux of course.

[-] johnlobo@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

i wish i could use linux on this pc.

[-] Ilgaz@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Business issue or hardware? If it is hardware there is always help, e.g. high level kernel devs cared about my HP boot issue or NetBSD.

[-] JokeDeity@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago

So glad Puffin killed itself... Why does everything good have to go away?

[-] NausetJF@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

I never liked Brave. I don't care for the crypto crap they add onto their browser

[-] vreraan@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

finally this fucking, shady and useless brave shits out of the jar

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