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Mitch McConell says the quiet part out loud.

Exact full quote from CNN:

“People think, increasingly it appears, that we shouldn’t be doing this. Well, let me start by saying we haven’t lost a single American in this war,” McConnell said. “Most of the money that we spend related to Ukraine is actually spent in the US, replenishing weapons, more modern weapons. So it’s actually employing people here and improving our own military for what may lie ahead.”

cross-posted from: https://lemm.ee/post/4085063

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[-] mim@lemmy.sdf.org 163 points 1 year ago

Russia invades a neighbour who dares to attempt to have stronger ties to the west.

West supplies neighbour with weapons to defend itself.

Tankies on Lemmy: "oh no, Russia is being oppressed"

[-] Rom@hexbear.net 58 points 1 year ago

Angry libs on lemmy downplay CNN poll showing majority of Americans oppose more US aid for Ukraine

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[-] barrbaric@hexbear.net 49 points 1 year ago

At a 2008 summit, NATO stated that it would attempt to expand to include Georgia and Ukraine, despite Russia having stated that NATO membership for those countries was a red line for them. Georgia was immediately invaded by Russia in response. Imo this makes it clear that NATO membership for either of those countries was so unacceptable that Russia would rather invade.

If we assume that Russia (and Putin in particular) is acting violently and irrationally like a wild animal, why did NATO continue to agitate Russia when the only possible outcome would be violence? Surely a neutral or even Russia-aligned Ukraine would be preferable to a war-torn Ukraine? This is proof that the US and NATO don't care about the average person actually living in Ukraine, and indeed don't care about the Ukrainian state beyond it being a useful (and profitable) proxy against a geo-political rival.

To be clear, I'm not excusing Russia here, but geo-politics aren't about what's "fair" or "right", and if they were, the US would be a global pariah.

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[-] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 47 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The US dares to coup a democratically elected government, and then its neighbor invades at the behest of people the new government were persecuting after two different ceasefires are broken by Ukraines puppet government.

Dronies be like "oh no our wholesome smol bean azov fighters are being oppressed"

[-] Quimby@hexbear.net 44 points 1 year ago

"And that's all I have to say about that." fedposting

[-] PosadistInevitablity@hexbear.net 43 points 1 year ago

You straight up butchered that straw man

He is in pieces

How could you do this

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[-] honeynut@lemm.ee 97 points 1 year ago

This. Is. An. Investment. In. Democracy.

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[-] diffuselight@lemmy.world 87 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That’s what a win win looks like. No need to be quiet around it. Russia illegally invaded Ukraine. Now everyone gets to replenish and modernize their weapons, test them in real conditions while making sure Russia gets enough of a bloody nose to not fucking try this shit ever again.

Russia did the ‘fuck around and find out thing’. It was their choice and the only way they can win is by tankies convincing every other country that just saw rape, murder, pillaging and terrorism getting used on another country in Europe by a rabid bear that somehow Russia was justified and should be allowed a free pass. But it’s not working. The rabid bear is rabid, but there’s ways to deal with that.

Because now they makes sure that every country around them is joining the anti rabid bear alliance.

The way the OP framed the article is to create the idea that somehow Russia is good because US military is bad. But that’s a fallacy. The US military is perfectly capable of doing bad shit on behalf of the US, but that does not mean everyone else is good. Sometimes clobbering Nazis is win win and Russia should have know that. Their feeble at reframing may work on Fox brainwashed Republicans who are reduced to “Putins kills gays and is strong so Putin is good”, but it turns out Putin is a cuck taking it into the ass by his own chef.

[-] Gsus4@feddit.nl 53 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yep, but could you please edit out the "cuck taking it in the ass" business? "Humiliated" works and doesn't make you sound like a "homophobic trumptard". We're managing to have a civilized discussion here and I don't want to see this devolve more into reddit.

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[-] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 64 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It has been extremely obvious to everyone who isn't an incredulous lib (ie the ledditor refugees from lemm.ee et al) that the US doesn't actually give a shit about Ukraine and is more than happen to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian. Why else would the US constantly ship overpriced wunderwaffen that the Ukrainians can barely use due to lack of training time while at the same time gobbling up Ukrainian state assets? And as we saw with how Afghanistan ended, the US will inevitably pull support, most likely because of Taiwan, and the Ukrainian war effort will collapse overnight just like Afghanistan imploded as soon as the US left the country.

The US has to fight multiple fronts against its peer adversaries as well as not-quite peer adversaries. Just recently, there's a coup in Niger with crowds of Nigeriens waving Russian flags cheering the coup leaders. While Western MSM underreport the average Nigeriens' heartfelt desire to kick out the French and overexaggerate Russia's involvement per usual, an anti-France alliance is forming in the Sahel, and Putin has launched a charm offensive courting African leaders. This is the formation of another front between the West and Russia, and the US will funnel resources away from Ukraine and towards various jihadist and separatist groups like Boko Haram in order to destabilize West Africa.

Ukraine isn't so exceptional that the US will be willing to abandon a front and lose say Taiwan for the sake of Ukraine. And from MSM reporting about the failed counteroffensive, we're close to the "US cutting their loses and leaving their allies out to dry while Hexbears repeat that quote from Kissinger" stage.

[-] MoreAmphibians@hexbear.net 49 points 1 year ago

The propaganda from the west is absolutely baffling if you try to understand it through anything other than pure vibes. America claims that Putin is going to genocide every single Ukrainian and the response from the US is to send a dozen tanks in a year or so? Why not promise 200-300 tanks and promise to send them as soon they can get tankers trained on them? There's literally 2000 of them just standing there in the desert, isn't a conflict with Russia what they were built for? The west is sending just enough weapons and ammo to prolong the conflict but nowhere near enough for Ukraine to actually have a shot at winning.

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[-] Dolores@hexbear.net 64 points 1 year ago

are we the baddies when the only domestic manufacturing we do is cancer tank shells & child murder bombs?

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[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 62 points 1 year ago

These people are monsters, and the idiot liberals that have happily jumped on their barbarous murder machine are too.

You sent tens of thousands of people to die in a futile meatgrinder while acting like you're good people """helping""" those you were killing. In reality what was happening was that you didn't care about what happened to those people as long as it harmed some russians.

The consequences of decades of anti-russian racism all came to a head in this war, with liberals LOVING the opportunity to be openly racist pieces of shit.

All excused by what? Some fucking lines on a map? I don't give a shit about lines on a map, I care about the tens of thousands of people's lives wasted on this shit, both ukrainian and russian.

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[-] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 53 points 1 year ago

Fighting Russia to the last Ukrainian

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[-] GrumpigPoopBalls@hexbear.net 52 points 1 year ago
[-] ThePac@lemmy.ml 52 points 1 year ago

Oof. Ruskie shills all up in these comments.

[-] ToxicDivinity@hexbear.net 49 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's really sad when the Russian shills are so good that you can't even think of a rebuttal

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[-] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 45 points 1 year ago

I wonder if there was a more efficient way of employing people without having executives from the MIC getting almost all the benefit?

[-] silent_water@hexbear.net 49 points 1 year ago

funneling money to the executives of the MIC is the entire purpose of the defense budget. why would they suddenly stop now?

[-] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 47 points 1 year ago

I mean that's the entire point. Ever read "war is a racket"?. It still holds up today.

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[-] iquanyin@lemmy.world 44 points 1 year ago

it’s not “the quiet part” as you imply. your insinuating that we made this war happen for the reasons he gives. no, context is king. he is merely trying to justify our involvement in the face of criticism. russia has long wanted to grab more countries. putin is a dictator, have you heard? he poisons opponents and attacks other countries to smash them back into his idea of what russia should be.

[-] sab@kbin.social 41 points 1 year ago

It's interesting how the republicans believe in Keynesian economics, but exclusively when it's applied for feeding the military industrial complex.

In this situation I agree with the need to support Ukraine, but I wish they would make the same realization about infrastructure investments as well.

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