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Reading about FOSS philosophy, degoogling, becoming against corporations, and now a full-blown woke communist (like Linus Torvalds)

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[-] stepanzak@iusearchlinux.fyi 20 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I love the FOSS philosophy and I would be a communist if I didn't know that in my country and in every other country where communism is/was, it became a dictatorship doing reallly horrible things. I simply don't have the trust in people to believe communism is possible without violation of human rights. It's sad.

[-] Shatur@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 year ago

in every other country where communism is/was

There is not a single country that has achieved communism.

[-] stepanzak@iusearchlinux.fyi 9 points 1 year ago

Sorry then, I should have written In every other country ruled by communists saying they are building communism, banning every other political party then the communist one, killing people in the name of communism. I see their unability to achieve communism even when they've had full control over country for decades as a proof of that it's not really possible.

[-] Shatur@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It is incorrect to say that there was/is communism in the country. There are only countries that trying/tried building communism.

In every other country ruled by communists saying they are building communism, banning every other political party then the communist one, killing people in the name of communism

Having a single party is the one of several approaches. But the only one that survived. I think the idea is that you don't need other parties if you building communism (like why do you need any liberal party driven by rich people?). And It's not like regular people can't join this party (unlike now when only rich people can be in politics).

proof of that it’s not really possible.

I’m not saying that it’s possible, but I wouldn’t say that it’s impossible given a certain level of technology.

[-] ConfusedLlama@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

Then what is it? A teapot in the sky?
If it's a viable plan which can be realized, then how to achieve it, without killing people and creating a dictatorship? Is it possible?

I might be wrong, but it seems to me that any effort to establish communism will eventually fail with a lot paid in vain, and many lives lost, as has happened so far.

If that viable plan needs time to be accepted more widely, then maybe we should simply wait and try to be decent people in the meantime, instead of trying now to establish a "temporary" dictatorship actively as a way of "transition". And if the plan can be acted upon right now, then again the question is how (without resorting to violence and tyranny, of course). That question remains open to me. And it's a big one.

[-] Shatur@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Then what is it? A teapot in the sky?

In such countries there was/is socialism. They only tried/trying to build communism. This is a common misconception.

If it’s a viable plan which can be realized, then how to achieve it, without killing people and creating a dictatorship? Is it possible?

I don't know. But I doubt that the state will give up its powers without any fight.

[-] tdawg@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

My understanding is that these days people treat it more like an ideal to strive toward under current democratic systems. For instance, how would you feel about UBI being introduced under your current system of governance?

[-] garam@lemmy.my.id 1 points 1 year ago

Red Hat UBI? It's awesome

*JK, but Red Hat UBI really Awesome!

[-] kariboka@bolha.forum -4 points 1 year ago

Looks like you have a lot to learn

[-] stepanzak@iusearchlinux.fyi 8 points 1 year ago

Thanks for your valuable input, you opened my eyes.

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