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I don't think the definition of "proxy war" must include "instigated".
Amusingly, with North Korea providing munitions to Russia and Korea providing munitions to Ukraine, it's now a proxy Korean War, which never ended.
Technically... this war was "kind of instigated" by the EU out-bidding Russia in 2013 for the investment in a commercial agreement with Ukraine. Everybody at the time knew that Russia had to keep Ukraine under its boot or risk getting fucked long term in the Black Sea, so buying-out Ukraine's allegiance was sort of like poking a bear... and the bear reacted pretty much as expected, by instantly invading Crimea... which also worked as expected to fortify Ukraine's allegiance towards the West... which ultimately lead to Russia launching its "special military operation"... which everyone kind of expected to end in a couple days with the loss of Kyiv... but instead turned out to spectacularly show off Russia's hand and military weakness, allowing for a proxy war to begin.
The instigation was very tactful, playing the long game over 10 years, but it was there. Which is also expected when trying to start a proxy war against a nuclear power; even this low-key instigation, already got Russian crazies clamoring for nuclear retaliation, even when the war was obviously their own fail.
If you know your history, the Yanukovych-administration in Ukraine at the time reneged on the deal with the EU and switched deal to Russia at the last minute, angering the ordinary Ukrainians (which caused tensions with the pro-Russian Ukrainians but that is another story). I distinctly remember it as it was all over the news at the time. So, it is Russia who outbid for Ukraine's support in 2013 if anyone looks at it objectively.
The EU agreement included higher investments than the Russian one (aka: EU outbid Russia)... that's why, when Yanukovych (expectedly, as a Russian puppet) switched to the Russian one, the ordinary Ukrainians got... well, kind of pretty pissed.
Russia didn't outbid the EU, they puppeteered Ukraine away from the EU agreement, precisely because they could not outbid it.
The rest worked as expected.
Wasn't Russia expecting Ukraine to capitulate (basically, like what Armenia did against Azerbaijan)?
They only sent, what, 80000 troops on the initial drive to Kyiv?
If Ukraine wanted to join Russia, they wouldn't need to send any troops.
So that is about 79999 troops too many.
There is that... then there is this:
It's failure after failure after failure after failure... and it keeps going, a full clown show. There are actually some more that aren't in the video.
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Bullshit. The country that did the invading was the instigator, full stop.
Not how wars work. They're like domino chains, if you know which one to push, you get the desired result.
In this case:
Do you need me to look up sources for the remaining dominos? (I'm on mobile, so I'd rather not)
That's not how full stops work.
Bitch please, Russia and EU have a much longer history.
The real "first domino" is somewhere during the Roman empire or even before.
But the invasion domino is a much bigger threat than the dominoes before.
Putin could just have decided NOT to invade. He had that power. Yet he pushed the domino anyway.
Putin could have tried to clean up shop in Russia around 2000-2008, he had that power back then. By instead trying to become a new Tsar, he set up himself to either invade over and over, or get killed.
It's no coincidence the same year 2012 he got "reelected", is when the EU started to sweet talk Ukraine; by then, the large dominoes were all set up, just needed that tiny first push.
By 2014, and 2022, any negative to invade would have him windowed.