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They exchanged text messages and emojis. Brief status updates with words of encouragement. A picture of the beloved family dog "Tutsi."

Until no more messages came.

And then, Cindy Flash, an American, and her Israeli husband Igal vanished into the violence, presumed kidnapped by Hamas.

Four days after Hamas attacked Israel, more than 100 Israelis and potentially dozens of foreign nationals are thought to be held captive in the Gaza Strip. At least 14 U.S. citizens have been killed and an unknown number are still unaccounted for.

Flash, 67, originally from St. Paul, Minnesota, is one of them. She lives in Kfar Aza, a kibbutz in southern Israel near Gaza, where some of the most harrowing and grisly stories have been emerging during the last few days.

"They are breaking down the safe room door," Flash said in one of her final messages to her daughter Keren, 34. "We need someone to come by the house right now." She had been communicating with her parents from a few houses away.

Keren described her mother, who worked as an administrator in a local college, as someone who had the "sweetest biggest heart," who everyone knew and loved, and who had spent a lifetime advocating for the rights of Palestinians, including those who live in Gaza where she may now be held.

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[-] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 28 points 1 year ago

Hamas isn't Palestine. They don't represent the Palestinian people. It's not because Hamas took her that she was betrayed by Palestinians.

[-] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

Hamas literally represents Palestine.

[-] MxM111@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago

Hamas was elected in 2006. The destruction of Israel was clear on its agenda. They are representing people of Gaza.

[-] P1r4nha@feddit.de 29 points 1 year ago

The problem with that argument is that the Israelis have also voted for the fascist, corrupt leader Netanyahu who needed to change the law to not land in prison and completely failed to protect Israel or to deescalate the situation in any way. You wouldn't want to justify the killing of Israeli civilians either, so you shouldn't try and do that with Palestinian ones.

[-] steltek@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago

A lot of people are trying to justify the killing of Israeli civilians however.

If there's going to be an "open air prison", we should make one for the far right nationalists of every country so the rest of the world can live in peace.

[-] P1r4nha@feddit.de 4 points 1 year ago

Yeah, unfortunately that's nothing new... in fact it seems older than all of us and some of our cultures and languages. I think the only moral high ground you can get to in this conflict is to completely reject any notion of killing or hurting civilians.

[-] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago
[-] jack55555@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 year ago

I voted for a way different party in 2006 than I do now. Opinions change.

[-] MxM111@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Do you honestly think if free elections were held today in Gaza, (or week ago, does not matter) then Hamas would not be re-elected?

[-] RaineV1@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago

Things can change a lot in nearly 20 years.

[-] cyborganism@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 year ago

That was a looong time ago. And it was also during the middle of a conflict involving the entire region, Gaza, West Bank and Lebanon. Israel was ruthless and went on a murderous rampage against all these countries.

[-] wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one -3 points 1 year ago

You understand that was 20 years ago right?

Half their current adult population werent even capable of voting 20 years ago.

[-] bufalo1973@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

The more I read the more it seem Hamas works for Bibi.

Bibi was having a popularity problem. Now it doesn't matter.

The targets are mostly from the opposition to Bibi.

This gives him the excuse he was waiting to level Gaza.

Too many timely coincidences.

But maybe I'm just being paranoid.

[-] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

Right? It's just too convenient.

[-] Historical_General@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Netanyahu and the Mossad literally funded Hamas against the left secular PLO. They have the blood of innocents on their hands.

[-] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

Do you have any sources about this? I wouldn't have any trouble believing you, but I always prefer when there's facts to look up.

[-] Historical_General@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Good instinct to ask for sources, but I'd add that one can never underestimate the depravity capable by an apartheid, genocidal state.

https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/

[-] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

Oooooooooohhhhh wow! Holy shit.

Amazing article. Thank you so much.

[-] Elric@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

They enjoy very wide support amongst the populace so they do represent many Palestinians, probably a majority?

[-] Historical_General@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Because they control the infrastructure, hospitals etc. This is the result of Israel assassinating other political leaders and funding Hamas. Netanyahu and the Mossad did it on purpose. Its their own fault.

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