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Scores killed in Israeli air strikes on families fleeing northern Gaza (www.middleeasteye.net)

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[-] Not_Alec_Baldwin@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago

There's a difference between a historical description of the land, and a formal Nation.

Even Mandated Palestine wasn't Palestinian-run, it was British.

[-] hassanmckusick@lemmy.discothe.quest 4 points 1 year ago

It feels like splitting hairs to comment that there was no Palestine pre 1900 because it had a different name. Especially when it was referred to as Palestine by Arabs for like 2000 years, it just wasn't officially a state.

Actually it sounds like a selective retelling of history designed to imply no one had any right to it or feelings of nationalism around it prior to WWII

[-] Not_Alec_Baldwin@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago

IIRC Jews have called the land west of the river Jordan Israel for a long time, too, 3000 years or so?

So what do we do, get into a competition to see who can find the oldest historical documents? Or just accept that we have two (or more, really) groups of people that have historical and cultural import around the same region?

And more importantly, can we do that without the constant terrorism? I think we can all agree that terrorism is bad.

[-] hassanmckusick@lemmy.discothe.quest 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Or just accept that we have two (or more, really) groups of people that have historical and cultural import around the same region?

To be honest I don't care about anyones special fucking book. Tracing backwards the land belongs to:

The Palestinian peoples: 1940's-now

The Ottoman Empire: 1500's-1900's

The Christians: 11th century

?: 11c - 63bc

Romans: 63bc

Jewish peoples: 63bc-931bc

So by this whole "history culture" logic I have more of a right to Israel having been raised culturally Christian than the Jewish peoples.

But that's dumb. I'm gonna arbitrarily draw the line 100 years ago and say anyone after that can fuck off. If you have to go further back than great-great-great grandparents then you don't have a claim to it.

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago

We can't even agree on what terrorism is. How can we agree it's bad? Israel using its forces to violently suppress a minority should be called terrorism, but it usually isn't because they're in power. It's also not called terrorism when the US bombs the fuck out of places.

Terrorism is only when those without power use violence. It's a bullshit term designed to incite emotion and not logical understanding.

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