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Justice Samuel Alito said in an interview that Congress does not have the authority to regulate the Supreme Court, pushing back against Democratic efforts to mandate stronger ethics rules for the justices. Alito argued that the Constitution does not give Congress the power to regulate the Supreme Court. While Chief Justice John Roberts has also questioned Congress's ability to act, he was not as definitive as Alito. Some Democrats rejected Alito's reasoning, arguing that the Supreme Court should be subject to checks and balances. The ethics push comes after recent revelations about undisclosed trips and other ethics issues involving several Supreme Court justices.

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[-] mister_monster@monero.town 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Your bolded part just says they can create inferior courts. I don't understand what point you're making emphasizing it.

The sentence after that, not emphasized, the good behavior part, is already understood and judges in the federal court system can be, and have been, impeached.

[-] FlowVoid@midwest.social 13 points 1 year ago

Good behavior is generally used to justify lifetime tenure as a judge, unless impeached.

However, the Constitution does not guarantee lifetime tenure on the SCOTUS itself. Nothing prevents Congress from requiring a Justice to transfer to a lower court after, say, 18 years on the SCOTUS.

[-] mister_monster@monero.town 2 points 1 year ago

Well, except for the fact that acts of congress require legislation, which the supreme court can find unconstitutional.

[-] FlowVoid@midwest.social 5 points 1 year ago

Congress can write laws that the SCOTUS is not allowed to review. They've actually done this in the past

[-] mister_monster@monero.town 1 points 1 year ago

Do you have an example of this happening?

[-] FlowVoid@midwest.social 3 points 1 year ago
[-] mister_monster@monero.town 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That's not what's happening here at all, this is not a case of a law congress proscribed the supreme court from ruling on, that's a case of congress taking away appellate jurisdiction from the supreme court for a particular case, which it can do. You said congress can pass laws that the supreme court can't review and has done it before, do you have an example?

[-] FlowVoid@midwest.social 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Using the same process, Congress could strip appellate jurisdiction from the SCOTUS in any case that involves a particular law. Which includes a law that they just passed.

The key is that when the SCOTUS reviews laws, it is nearly always exercising its power of appellate jurisdiction, not original jurisdiction. And the Constitution allows Congress to impose whatever regulations it wants over appellate jurisdiction. So if the SCOTUS isn't allowed to hear cases involving a law, then it can't strike down that law.

In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.

[-] Dominic@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

I seriously doubt that Congress can create a law that infringes on the First Amendment and simultaneously strip all federal courts of their jurisdiction to review that law.

If that were the case, then simple majorities in Congress and a Presidential signature would be enough to effectively override the Constitution. That’s far easier than an amendment.

[-] FlowVoid@midwest.social 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

First of all, nothing in the Constitution gives courts the power of judicial review. They sort of made up that power all by themselves.

Regardless, if Congress decided to regulate the SCOTUS then they would most likely strip jurisdiction only from the SCOTUS itself, not from all federal courts. This is also how it was done in the past. The SCOTUS basically conceded that as long as some judge still had the power of judicial review, then Congress could remove the SCOTUS itself from the process.

Which means that the DC Circuit Court would make a final, non-appealable decision on whether the Constitution allows their colleagues in the SCOTUS to be bound by ethics laws - just as they are.

[-] Dominic@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

Judicial review isn’t in the Constitution either.

[-] mister_monster@monero.town 1 points 1 year ago

That's a very detail ignoring take on the matter but technically you're right.

[-] Dominic@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

For context:

Judicial review exists because it makes sense. The framers decided to bind the government with a Constitution, but never explicitly wrote up an enforcement mechanism. The judiciary already interprets laws, so they get to be the enforcement mechanism by default.

The framers also decided to write “during good behavior” in Article III, but never defined what that means. Congress writes laws, so it’s logical to me that Congress gets to define what “good behavior” entails.

[-] Juno@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago

That's not true, it says the Supreme Court AND inferior courts

[-] mister_monster@monero.town 5 points 1 year ago

The constitution creates the supreme courts. The Congress can make inferior courts.

[-] Juno@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago

"The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish."

Lemme cut the middle out of that sentence

The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish.

Which is exactly what they do, they establish and ordain. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomination_and_confirmation_to_the_Supreme_Court_of_the_United_States

[-] gogreenranger@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

Right, but the comma separates the "Constitution creates the supreme court" and the "Inferiors courts that Congress may establish." Cutting out the middle removes key text.

It seems pedantic, but that's exactly the argument that either has been or will be made, because that comma implies that the Supreme Court and "inferior courts" have separate sources that govern them.

[-] fuzzywolf23@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

You're ignoring that congress does, in fact, ordain supreme court justices

[-] gogreenranger@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

They do until the Supreme Court interprets otherwise.

[-] mister_monster@monero.town 1 points 1 year ago

That's very much wrong, you can't read english.

[-] Juno@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

Ahh. See how you said that?

That's very wrong, AND you can't read English.

It's both things in the same sentence. Like how there's a supreme court, and lower courts which congress can ordain.

Hey dumbass. They "ordain" supreme court justices when they question them and vote on them before they're appointed.

If it's so wrong, why doesn't the president just appoint them and done? It's because you are actually reading it wrong. Congress DOES ordain the supreme court's members. They do it in public for all to see.

[-] gogreenranger@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

And now the Supreme Court, who interprets the Constitution as part of the checks and balances, is making noise that it could potentially disagree.

Also, as someone who is so versed in English, you understand that a sentence can refer to more than one thing, right? I can write a sentence, post to Lemmy, and kick a football. Only the sentence is what I write. The comma separates them.

Legal decisions have been decided on commas and they can be incredibly pedantic.

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