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That will never happen. We created capitalism and globalism. The genie is out of the box and it's not going back in... not until the planet is destoryed. Just try to enjoy what we have while it lasts.
How does the unprecedented sanctions regime on Russia play into your "globalization is unstoppable" hypothesis? It sure looks like the global economy is actually bifurcating into "the US and friends" and "everyone else".
Globalism is unraveling as we speak, and capitalism will die with it. No system lasts forever.
I can't wait for the entire world to collapse like the soviet union did.
Oh wow, such an intelligent comment, because clearly no capitalist country has collapsed ever. 😂
I never made that assertion but okay yes, there have been capitalist countries that have collapsed.. Also, can you name a communist country that hasn't collapsed?
Laos, China, Vietnam, and Cuba come to mind. It's kind of incredible that anyone would ask such an absurd question seriously.
Except... None of those are communist countries. They're all mixed economy countries with varying degrees of private and public corporate infrastructure. And China of all countries lmao. Theyre the most capitalist of that bunch. They only thing they kept from communism was the rampant authoratarianism. Its kind of increble that anyone would make such an absurd statement seriously.
Maybe you should actually learn what communism is before advocating for it.
It's pretty hilarious that you're telling me to learn what communism is while evidently having the most superficial understanding possible. All these countries are led by communist parties, and the working class is the class that's in charge in these countries.
You are correct that these countries are in the socialist phase of development where many of the vestigial relations from capitalist society are still present. However, anybody who actually understands communist theory knows that this is a necessary stage. You can't just take a capitalist society and turn it communist overnight. Especially not in a world that's dominated by global capitalism.
Might want to read some Marx to educate yourself on the subject.
It really is like clicking through a dialog tree with these people isn't it?
Yeah, it's always the same handful of tropes that have been debunked to death. It's honestly exhausting. If only these people spent even a fraction of time actually educating themselves on the subjects they attempt to debate.
Lol, imagine being this unhinged from reality. If your baseless dreams do come to pass and the system does fall apart, it will mean billions dead from famine, disease, and war. Your vision is death and destruction, not salvation.
The least ignorant American has logged on.
Communism and globalism are aligned. Capitalism has to go tho
I'd call it internationalism instead of globalism. Globalism has connotations with capitalism and colonialism and not a term I'd want to associate with communism at this point.
Just yesterday you commented the vomit emoji when someone posted the Taiwanese flag because you think they should be under the control of China rather than governing themselves. Sure sounds like you're pro colonialism to me.
Sure sounds like you don't understand what colonialism is to me.
I understand it quite well which is why I can identify when people like you are promoting it. If you had a rebuttal or explanation you would have stated it rather than resorting to a logical fallacy in your reply.
You keep saying that you do, but clearly you don't. Alternatively, you don't understand the history of the province, and the civil war in China. In either case, what you're saying is deeply ignorant.
Another comment with zero substance.
You claiming that forcibly taking over control of another's land isn't "colonialism" is like saying "enhanced interrogation" isn't torture.
Funny how you can keep replying about what others "don't understand," but you can't put together an actual defense of your position. It's almost as if you know I'm 100% accurate, so you'd rather spin the discussion away from your indefensible position with insults and fallacies.
Taiwan is literally part of China as recognized by UN. The actual colonialism happening in Taiwan is what US has been doing there since WW2. I can't decide whether you're just woefully ignorant or just a liar.
So the US is still colonizing Taiwan? How did they even "colonize" Taiwan?
Go read up on some history and learn a bit about history of what US has been doing in Taiwan instead of making a 🤡 of yourself in public.
So no source?
The fact that you can't even figure out how to google basic publicly available information explains quite a bit about your comment history.
Nope. Stop there.
You keep telling other people to do the research and make an argument to you. But you will not do it yourself.
It's a troll move and you have to stop. All you are doing is alienating people. I've begun to wonder if that's what you're here to do.
I provide sources for what I say all the time when I say something that's not necessarily obvious. In this particular case, I'm stating a well documented fact that anybody can google. The troll move here is to claim that I said something controversial, demand evidence, and then to make personal smear attacks against me. Which is what you and your buddy are doing.
That said, here are some materials that you will never bother reading, but might help other people reading the thread understand who the actual troll here is.
US Political Capture of Taiwan
Sunflower Movement Leader Lin Fei-fan’s Associations with the US NED
Democratic Progressive Party (DPP)’s regular Reporting to AIT
US interference in Taiwan politics and media is very well documented. US has poured countless millions into shaping the opinions of the people in Taiwan through orgs like NED, it directly grooms US politicians such as Tsai Ing-Wen, and that's literally what colonialism and cultural hegemony are.
These links (clicked and read) are not all that salacious.
Where there are like-minded people, we like to help. If we can get more like-minded people, that's better.
If it was for free market capitalism, I'd have an issue with our contribution. A lot of this is about the spread of democracy. I don't take issue with that.
Self-determination (including the rejection of democracy) seems fundamental to me. Overall, however, I think socialist democracies make the most sense. Beneficent dictatorships seem like a they're one step away from not being beneficial. Slippery slope thing.
That is such an absurd statement to make. To understand how absurd what you're saying is replace Taiwan with Texas or Hawaii and replace US with Russia or China. Then tell me with a straight face that US would allow this level of interference in a US state where Russia or China would groom politicians, sponsor movements via their state orgs, and send weapons there. Last I checked US liberals are still losing their minds over the fact that a Russian oligarch bought a few 100k worth of Fb ads during an election campaign. What these links show is political interference on an incredible scale, and the kind US would never tolerate in a million years.
And don't pretend that this is about spreading democracy, it's about spreading US hegemony. US doesn't even have democracy at home, how can it possibly spread it anywhere else:
Having a foreign power take over and run your government isn't what self determination is. Self determination fundamentally starts with having sovereignty, and having a foreign power drive your political system is literally the opposite of that.
I have no disagreement with calling our system an oligarchy. It's part of why I'm pro-socialism.
Money isn't the only thing driving the oligarchy, but it's way up there on my list.
Profound, immeasurable wealth is a blight and a hallmark of poor mental health.
Well that's something we can agree on. Politics of any society that allows mass wealth inequality will end up being captured by those who have the wealth. The only way to have a just society is by limiting inequality. And in my view, Americans should not run around the world and interfere in other countries pretending to do it for some grand standing purposes like spreading democracy while their own society is profoundly sick. Fix yourselves and stop playing world police. Let other countries deal with their own problems, and we'll all be in a better place.