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I bet if you asked him if he was a Bob's Burgers fan, he'd say yes and not be bothered at all that two of the lead female characters are played by men.
What specifically do you mean by "The LGBT lifestyle".
Hate to tell you this... I don't know if you have kids yet, but it absolutely does not matter how you raise them, if they're gay they're gay. The only thing you're teaching your children, if they are gay, is that their father probably will hate them if he finds out, and they better hide in the closet until they grow up and can escape you. Nothing else. LGBTQ is not the result of poor parenting, friend, it's genetic.
"I have yet to meet a single person from my culture who is LGBTQ+, so they must not exist. It can't possibly be that my culture has violently sigmatised their existence to the point that they don't feel safe coming out."
"This study can't definitively prove that sexual orientation has a genetic element, so it must not have any genetic component at all."
So every book should not have any relationships, right? If indoctrination is bad and wrong, it's bad for everyone, right? No books should include heterosexual relationships, right? No books should discuss gender heteronormativity, right?
There's nothing wrong with being gay, or being trans-gendered. There's also nothing wrong with being straight or cis-gendered. There's also nothing wrong with talking about these things or anyone seeing them. If there is something wrong with one, it's wrong for the others too, unless one is somehow better than the others. If one is better than the others, please elaborate on your reasoning, and before you do understand many animals naturally are gay so an appeal to nature is not an acceptable argument.
my friends male biegel humps the shit out of my leg every time I go over there. That dog is just horny and looking for anything breathing to hump, that does not make him gay. And you are right there's absolutely nothing wrong with being gay or trans (AFAIK). But as your culture has thought you to fully embrace LGBT people/culture into your life, mine has told me to not. I've certainly not embraced the extreme doctrines of my upbringing towards LGBT people, but I still steer my children towards a hetro cis worldview and try to minimize their exposure to anything LGBT, because I'm certain that it's not even slightly biological and it's how they're raised by a strong male role model or lack of.
Nah, dude. They're fucking gay. Your friend's beagle is horny, not gay. He doesn't even know that you're male or female most likely, because you're not the same species.
Nope. Wrong again. Mine told me it's wrong too. I just realized that's stupid. There's no right or wrong with any of it. Religion is stupid, because there's thousands of mutually exclusive religions. The odds of you being right are next to zero. Same for beliefs on gender. None of them are probably "correct" (as far as something can be correct on that) so everyone should just be as accepting as possible to other beliefs and let people be happy. There's nothing to be gained by being an asshole or restricting what other people are allowed to do.
Unless you can give me a reasoned argument why straight people are any more acceptable than others, you should stop trying to restrict what others can do. Straight people have pushed their rules on other people for far too long. (Nature is not an acceptable reason for the argument because, as I've pointed out, many animals are not straight naturally.)
That's not how any of this works. You can steer a kid towards a cishet worldview all you want, but that won't make a kid any less LGBT.
And biology does play a role in determining a person's sexual orientation and gender identity. Being raised with a "strong male role model" isn't really a factor either, sunshine.
I rarely use Wikipedia as a source, but this boils it down so well. Europeans & Asian countries have practiced homosexuality for centuries, we (Africans & Middle Easterners) do not practice this, nor do we encourage our children to go out and seek an LGBT life so there is no closets they need to come out of.
You may not know about them, and they won't tell you, but they exist. I lived with a Saudi for a while in college who was bi-sexual. He couldn't tell anyone anytime he was there, but when he was allowed to be open about it some people were allowed to know.
Just because it's illegal doesn't mean it doesn't happen. It only means that people suffer. They're still gay, but they'll participate in society as straight because they have to.
Ohh, so gay people hide their homosexuality when same sex relationships are shunned by their friends and family? What a shocker.
Comes from a culture that condemns gay people to death.
"I've never seen a gay person where I'm from. It most certainly has to do with the masculine way my culture raises our kids, and not the stoning to death part."
People literally get insurance in case their ram is gay. It's common and natural, and I'm pretty sure it isn't because those rams were indoctrinated.
There are gay people around you. They just haven't told you because you're a fucking bigot.
The vast majority of mammalian species have high single digit percentage of gay members.
Some of my closest friends are lesbians, and one ftm trans so I'm the farthest thing from a bigot. I just want hetro cis kids because of my upbringing and culture but you're judging me for wanting that so who's the bigot here bud?
What? I'm assuming your upbringing is different from the culture you're a part of now. You are in a culture that is accepting of non-heteronormative things and you don't even realize it. Please examine what this means to you and why you hold the beliefs that you hold, and try to understand why they're important to you. Also, check to see if they're benificial or better left in the past. Your culture is a choice. It's not some intrinsic unchanging thing.
Your kids will put you in a home and you'll deserve it.
gosh if only there were a name for this phenomenon
Imagine thinking that forcing religion and heterosexual norms on a child will change their mind. Your religion does not dictate mine or my kids lives or lifestyles and don’t want that religious indoctrination forced on to us.
Some people (Ally’s, LGBTQIA+, Genderqueer individuals, etc…) just don’t accept that as an acceptable norm in their culture and don’t want their children to think it’s an acceptable lifestyle. As someone who has a plethora of religious friends and acquaintances and comes from one of those liberal cultures I simply mean that I respect them and their rights but I also want to raise my children to grow up being their authentic selfs and living their life.
"grow up being their authentic selfs"? so what age would you introduce them to homosexuality and gender theory? would you rather have them be thought that by their school or are you going to teach them that they can just choose their gender or sexuality?
The same age we introduce children to heterosexuality and gender theory. If the information taught is objectively truthful and backed up by scientific discovery then it makes no difference where it's learned because it will be factual.
Child abuse. Your job as a parent is to lead, not just go along with whatever they want or what the woke movement of the month is.
At what age is it OK to let your kid read a book with a straight couple? At that age is the same age I'd teach for other option to be fine. There's nothing scary about homosexuality just as there isn't for heterosexuality. If them learning about heterosexual relationships doesn't hurt them, learning about homosexual relationships won't hurt them either.
Go say this to a person in real life and see what reaction you get. You're absolutely psychotic my friend.
We are people from real life, try leaving your troglodyte cave.
Nah, nobody's got rights to treat others like shit for who they were born as.
It ain't right when Salafist muslims do it, it ain't right when black africans get told to do it by american evangelical missionaries, and it ain't right when you try to play cover for it by painting it as "just culture."
That behaviour is disgusting barbaric and undeserving of the respect afforded to true cultural differences like language and dress and (non harmful) traditions.
Talking in code doesn't work when we all have the cipher buddy.
"Our culture" (mostly western European) does not care if men play women (or vice-versa) in a play. If anything, like other have mentioned, in condones it. Stop acting like what you believe is the arbiter of culture. What you believe is nothing and meaningless, and a minority in our society.
Even if you were correct (which you absolutely are not), it wouldn't matter because we don't have to continue doing and believing the same things that were once believed. We can imagine and create a better world that let's people be what they want and be happy. We don't need you to agree to it, but it'd be better if you at least weren't hostile to people trying to live their lives and not bothering you.
Wise words.
@opp @Cethin
Schools don't experiment with kids' gender and sexuality. It's a lie to say they do.
So we should allow children to read books that are accepting of relationships at all, right? It's either wrong to do or it isn't. It shouldn't matter what gender the people are in the relationships. Either you're OK with some types of indoctrination or none.
(I'm of the opinion it isn't indoctrination to let people choose to read what they choose to read. It isn't indoctrination to admit people exist.)
No! Because if you don't stop they might want to!
Ah yes, not hateful or afraid of LGBTQ people you just don't want them to exist in public where you can see and talk about "exposure" like you're talking about a disease. Can't say I am fond of people talking about their own kids like chattel property where their parents decide every single interaction they have and shape their entire experience as though if they can just keep them "pure" of influence they will grow up to be good little carbon copies of their parents who will do exactly what they are told when they are adults. Seems like a good way to put a kid in therapy and for you to end up in a senior home to me.
You want to teach your kid that the gays will burn, fine, the kids still got to learn how to be at least tolerant and share the space in society and learning to get along is kindergarten stuff. Training up little terrors who will flip the fuck out if they ever see two men holding hands while buying IKEA furniture is doing society at large a disservice. Also these are fucking high schoolers, do you really think you need to wrap them in cotton wool and give them safety sissors? I am pretty sure they would light you on fire for trying.
LGBT isn’t a choice and covering their eyes won’t change their sexual orientation.
But, besides that point, how the fuck is it okay to insulate your kid from other cultures? That’s not healthy at all. Eating ramen wasn’t part of my family’s culture growing up, either, but I don’t go around trying to prevent children from learning about Japanese food.
You mean they do hate it but want to claim respectability points by gesturing to "muh kultor!"
Queer folks are in every culture because they literally just happen everywhere. It ain't up to some badnik lowdowns to decide it ain't in their culture because it sure is when they're kicking little johny on the street for not wanting to be called jessy anymore.