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Trump’s Most Unhinged Plans for His Second Term
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Wikipedia seems to think it happened in many places. I don't think people realize how bizarre some of that stuff was.
Yeah.
It was bizarre. The US lost it’s damn mind and went full on crazy. I remember asking what Iraq did and getting called a traitor. (They were mostly Saudis? And Saudis funded?)
I also remember bejng asked why I wasn’t joining up… like, dude, let me graduate highschool first…
Knowing now that Bin-Laden had been in Pakistan and we kinda knew almost where for a long time really makes the Iraq invasion so much worse.
I went and protested it in Copley Square the night before we invaded Iraq. I’m glad I did it, but it seemed to do fuck all. Possibly lead to Barack Obama’s presidency, which I’m happy about, but that in turn may have lead Trump’s as well.
I can’t help wonder how different the world would have been with Gore as president. Even social media may have been regulated differently with a moderately (or even slightly) tech savvy administration, though that’s probably a stretch.
Edit: Wft autocorrect; Batak Obamass? Really?
I can't even imagine. I think 9/11 would have still happened... I don't think they'd have caught it; and I don't think we'd have just... not responded.
That’s probably the case, though I think smarter people who didn’t already want to invade the Middle East to avenge their daddy’s name (before 9/11 strangely) might have heeded the multiple intelligence warnings better.
I hate Nader for his spoiling that election in particular, but he wanted locked cockpit doors way before 9/11. Gore may have listened to his advise but probably not in time.
I think we also would have sanctioned Saudi Arabia and worked with Pakistan instead of the bullshit that happened instead.
The thing was… that at the time, locking the door wasn’t really the issue.
The policy at the time was to allow the hijacker’s to take over because there were hundreds of hostages on board. Before 9/11, nobody thought they’d take the plane and crash it into stuff.
Similar to how cashiers/bank tellers are taught to comply with robbers. The expectation is that doing what they want is safer for everyone - and the assumption was they’d want cash.
Post 9/11, those assumptions changed, and now pilots are instructed to let the hostages die instead of opening up, because its likely that, failing getting down to where a response team could get on board, everyone is going to die anyhow and letting the bad guys control the plane means substantially more deaths.
It's not a stretch. The antitrust lawsuits brought by nine states and the Justice Department against Microsoft was made to simply go away under the Bush administration. Our technology would probably look very different today without Microsoft's monopoly, and without that who knows what the rest of the map would look like?
@nilloc I went and protested too, there was a big march in New Zealand and we stayed out of the "coalition of the willing" who invaded. We were lucky we had a very strong centre-left leader at the time.
The Gore alternate timeline is interesting. Would we have had less pollution by now?
Yikes. The pressure must have been really intense. I'm in NZ and I lost a bunch of US internet friends (some I'd met irl) for not being enthusiastic about attacking Afghanistan.
In the immediate family, it wasn’t too terrible. It was a certain uncle, that I never speak to any more thinking I should be signing up. (he’s as deep into MAGA world as anyone, the only reason he wasn’t at Jan 6 was he’s too broke to go.)
Most everyone else kind of would just… not talk about it? By the time i did graduate, all the fervor wore off into a kind of … refusal to accept we’d been lied to? I dunno weird times.
I will say this. It definitely colors my understanding of what’s going on with Palestine. Seems to be that history is rhyming again.
I agree.
Wikipedia is correct. I was 34 on 9/11. There was so much of this crazy bs. The freedom fries thing was rampant. I lived a few blocks from a mosque, and sadly there were several threats, picketers and vandalism for several years.