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submitted 1 year ago by beefpeach@infosec.pub to c/privacy@lemmy.ml

So, I recently moved about 6 months ago. Have only given my real address and name to the DMV, Phone Company, Internet, and rental property(obviously knows my real address)

Ran Optery and found out that over 80 data brokers have my legit new address already.

Feeling like privacy is just some kind of wet dream at the moment. I do everything right, I think but no matter what the 4 companies I have given my information too will constantly sell my personal data no matter what.

It’s truly sad the direction America is going towards, all for some more money.

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[-] BaumGeist@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago

there is no such thing as a zero-trust society (although I now want to write that scifi story and tease that idea out). As such, the cost of living in a society will always be some amount of infringement of privacy beyond complete anonymity. Even you were comfortable giving your address and name to 4 other parties (under the presumption that only they would use that information), and even then how many individuals within those organizations have access to that information?

Thus privacy cannot be thought of as an all-or-nothing battle. Privacy is a compromise between total anonymity (un-people) and convenience (you can't get public utilities to your house if they don't know where you live). The fact is that we have the level of privacy we do right now because of a lot of resistance and hard work. If it wasn't for all the survivalists and conspiracy theorists and paranoid software devs and whistleblowers and tech journos and anti-authoritarian content creators and anti-surveillance artists and even ordinary joes like me who just want to use online services withouth the digital equivalent of the weird kid in class who stood over your shoulder and watched everything you did (x1000), things could and would be much worse.

If you must think of it as a war, consider it to be analogous to state-vs-collective wars of history: our "opponents" are organizations that are constrained by their hierarchical nature to certain unspoken rules of engagement, and we are a guerilla collective bound only by our shared value(s). Think the Texas Revolution, Vietnam, African National Congress, Zapatistas, IRA, Black Panthers or pretty much anything the Romans did with northern European Barbarians. I won't sit here and lie to you that the devastation that happened to these peoples and their homelands was "winning," but I can tell you that the dominators certainly didn't get their way either.

[-] sxan@midwest.social 8 points 1 year ago

there is no such thing as a zero-trust society (although I now want to write that scifi story and tease that idea out).

It's been done, kinda. Guy named Hannu Rajaniemi wrote a dilogy called "Jean le Flambeur." I think it's in the second book, The Fractal Prince, the lead character visits Mars, which has a society where everyone has the ability to encrypt and/or sign all interactions; citizens have an organ that facilitates this, making the operations as fluid and natural as speaking. It's well thought out, well written, and the series is an entertaining read. It reminded me of John C Wright's "The Golden Oecumene" trilogy.

[-] BaumGeist@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

I was hoping someone would comment telling me they already read that story! Thanks, gonna read it asap!

[-] privacybro@lemmy.ninja 6 points 1 year ago

If it wasn't for all the survivalists and conspiracy theorists and paranoid software devs and whistleblowers and tech journos and anti-authoritarian content creators and anti-surveillance artists and even ordinary joes like me who just want to use online services withouth the digital equivalent of the weird kid in class who stood over your shoulder and watched everything you did (x1000), things could and would be much worse.

this. this is the privacy truth of the year right here. shout out to all the insane people. we dont deserve them.

[-] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago

Even you were comfortable giving your address and name to 4 other parties

They have never said that, did they?

[-] BaumGeist@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Have only given my real address and name to the DMV, Phone Company, Internet, and rental property

[-] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

Where did they say that they were comfortable doing that? I don't see a word or an acronym of it.

Sometimes you must do things that you are not comfortable doing, but you just can't avoid it. Doing that for the ISP (who need to set up the cable into your home and the gateway) is not the same as doing that for e.g. netflix or facebook.

[-] BaumGeist@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Fine, in that case: more comfortable than the alternative. No one's kicking down your door and forcing you to get phone or internet, you don't have to live on-grid to survive, it's not illegal to not own a vehicle.

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