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Judge finds ‘reasonable evidence’ Tesla knew self-driving tech was defective
(www.theguardian.com)
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Yeah, the scary part of this is that as much as I absolutely would never go near this shit with a ten foot pole when it's clearly still woefully inadequate and over hyped.... They very frequently drive withing ten feet of me because for some reason it's legal to put this shit on roads with unwilling participants.
I get it there’s inevitable interference of interest here but we can’t really tell other people to not do things we don’t like in a free country
Edit: this is clearly being misinterpreted. I am NOT talking about the Tesla. I’m saying a hypothetical, well-regulated self-driving car can be fielded without the permission of every other motorist that thinks they’re icky.
Yes, we can tell people they can’t do things. Welcome to society we’ve all been talking and decided on a bunch of things people can’t do in a free country. It’s public roads, it’s entirely reasonable to have restrictions on self driving cars, just like you can’t ride a tandem bicycle in the HOV lane.
People get fined for having unsafe vehicles on public roads all the time. All that’s needed here is a regulatory body to decide self-driving cars are unsafe enough to revoke approval.
Oh hell yeah if it’s unsafe. I’m making the finer point that saying “you don’t have the right to drive that car next to me cuz it makes me feel weird” is overstepping
I’m pretty sure the actual concern has less to do with “feeling weird” and more “because it and/or its inattentive driver may suddenly kill me” because of a dysfunctional self-driving system whose capabilities has been fraudulently marketed and has, in reality, repeatedly, killed people.
They said “for some reason it’s legal to push [self driving cars in general] on unwilling participants”. That’s what I’m addressing
Yes, clearly you have missed something.
That's why I go 100km/h in school zones. Free country!
Yeah but that is beyond what anyone would consider reasonable
Are you telling me not to do it?
I’m saying that you don’t need everyone else’s permission to drive a safety regulated self-driving car. That’s it. I’m not talking about the Tesla
Irony is, most likely escaping you...
Dude. You’re clearly not understanding the nuance of my point
lol the no step on snek guy is complaining about nuance while misquoting everyone.
Ok but I’m a democratic socialist… should be a red flag about the assumptions you’re making
Cool non sequitur, but I’m not making assumptions about you; I don’t know you. You said we can’t tell people what they can’t do in a free country, no step on snek’s core message. All the while you keep misrepresenting the comment your arguing against by using words like “icky” or “weird” which minimizes and dismisses their valid point of view and then complaining about people missing the nuance of your point of view. Is irony wasted on you?
truth in advertising laws exist for a reason
also the people who frequently talk about a "free country" are often the same ones that want more police so they can do taliban style gender policing so it (the expression) seems deeply inauthentic at this point.
Now if only they were enforced.
True about “free country” being used to justify a society controlled by extreme wealth. And I’m talking about another persons right to “drive” a self-driving car next to me. Not about these guys objectively being criminally ass-hole-y
What do you mean when you say this?
I am referring to America which prides itself on freedom (and not enough on equality and collectivism) . I’m just saying it makes legal sense that you don’t need the consent of every other motorist to operate a self-driving car (if it passes safety regulations and assuming no problems of regulatory capture). Both of those assumptions are not applicable here
How can you take pride in freedom while simultaneously having the most non violent offenders of any state to ever exist, in terms of raw numbers and per capita?
Couldn’t agree more