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Ha! He's a comedian making a joke. Perhaps not the best joke, but obviously a joke. He's even on stage in his role as comedian.
After all the vile things Wilders has said that were dead serious I feel like this is nothing.
Probably good publicity for the comedian though, and of course it's some political points for Wilders and the rest of the far-right ("look how violent these left-wing people of color are!").
The Netherlands don't have freedom of speech, though, so that's immaterial. The closest thing they have is Article 7, Subarticle 3 in general, which only means they can't legally be compelled to seek prior approval for speech.
This is not a joke that is very appropriate though. In the early 2000s a politician similar to Wilders was killed for his opinions. Another (even further) right-wing politician was assaulted twice in the past few months, and Wilders himself hasn't been able to go anywhere without bodyguards in the past few years. We're still a democracy, Wilders should be able to say things without getting constant death threats. Unlike the US, things are not yet as polarized here. To me it feels like the comedian made a very inappropriate "joke", even if I also absolutely despise Wilders
Yeah I understand the context of Pim Fortuyn of course and I agree it's not a good joke or anything like that. I just feel like this is made into way too big of a deal for what was probably an off thr cuff comment.
I do think that "fuck around and find out" should be true. Baudet for example is just a fascist who is friends with the Russians and wants to destroy democracy in the Netherlands. I honestly think that until his party is outlawed it's a good thing he gets hit with umbrellas and beer bottles. Fuck him so hard, I don't think what he says should be tolerated.
Baudet is definitely on the edge yeah. Obviously there somes a moment where you shouldn't tolerate the intolerant and a democratic society shouldn't protect the undemocratic in the name of democracy. Up until now I don't think either of them has done enough to deserve that tho. Randomly calling for a politician to be killed, even as a joke, is in my opinion still bad taste. It's not the way I'd want Dutch politics to go, even for those who I disagree with. Violence and hate only creates more violence and hate