Update:
The comments from this post will not be removed as to preserve the discussion around the announcement. Any continued discussions outside of this thread that violate server rules will be removed. We feel that everyone that has an opinion, and wanted to vent, has been heard.
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Original post:
Yesterday, we received information about the planned federation by Hexbear. The announcement thread can be found here: https://www.hexbear.net/post/280770. After reviewing the thread and the comments, it became evident that allowing Hexbear to federate would violate our rules.
Our code of conduct and server rules can be found here.
The announcement included several concerning statements, as highlighted below:
- “Please try to keep the dirtbag lib-dunking to hexbear itself. Do not follow the Chapo Rules of Posting, instead try to engage utilizing informed rhetoric with sources to dismantle western propaganda. Posting the western atrocity propaganda and pig poop balls is hilarious but will pretty quickly get you banned and if enough of us do it defederated.”
- “The West's role in the world, through organizations such as NATO, the IMF, and the World Bank - among many others - are deeply harmful to the billions of people living both inside and outside of their imperial core.”
- “These organizations constitute the modern imperial order, with the United States at its heart - we are not fooled by the term "rules-based international order." It is in the Left's interest for these organizations to be demolished. When and how this will occur, and what precisely comes after, is the cause of great debate and discussion on this site, but it is necessary for a better world.”
The rhetoric and goal of Hexbar are clear based on their announcement: to "dismantle western propaganda" and "demolish organizations such as NATO” shows that Hexbar has no intention of "respecting the rules of the community instance in which they are posting/commenting.” It’s to push their beliefs and ideology.
In addition, several comments from a Hexbear admin, demonstrate that instance rules will not be respected.
Here are some examples:
“I can assure you there will be no lemmygrad brigades, that energy would be better funneled into the current war against liberalism on the wider fediverse.”
“All loyal, honest, active and upright Communists must unite to oppose the liberal tendencies shown by certain people among us, and set them on the right path. This is one of the tasks on our ideological front.”
- https://lemmy.world/comment/121850
- https://lemmy.world/comment/1487168
- https://lemmy.world/comment/1476084
- https://lemmy.world/comment/171595
- https://www.hexbear.net/comment/3648500
Overall community comments:
- https://www.hexbear.net/comment/3526128
- https://www.hexbear.net/comment/3526086
- https://www.hexbear.net/comment/3652828
To clarify, for those who have inquired about why Hexbear versus Lemmygrad, it should be noted that we are currently exploring the possibility of defederating from Lemmygrad as well based on similar comments Hexbear has made.
- https://lemmygrad.ml/post/158656
- https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/882559
- https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/540170
- https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/446529
Defederation should only be considered as a last resort. However, based on their comments and behavior, no positive outcomes can be expected.
We made the decision to preemptively defederate from Hexbear for these reasons. While we understand that not everyone may agree with our decision, we believe it is important to prioritize the best interests of our community.
It’s more like “the enemy of my enemy is a friend.” We don’t love the Russian Federation and would rather the Soviet Union still existed.
The reason we have critical support to Russia at all is because the United States empire throws a coup in your country any time you go against their interests (see Euromaidan in Ukraine).
Think of it like how the US and the Soviet Union were temporarily allied to fight the common enemy of the Nazis.
Still doesn't make a lot of sense to me, nor to a lot of other people. Ukraine doesn't have the right to decide their country wants to join NATO? Russia wants oil or a buffer so innocent Ukrainian citizens get to die? It's not innocent Russians dying, because they are the aggressor in this case. They are being the US here, like the US was in Iraq. They interfere in just as many elections, have oligarchs, so much corruption, etc. But because they're not the West, they're the good guys?
But while I still don't agree with that lemmygrad's strange, hypocritical takes, I still don't agree with defederating (with them or hexbear). Defederating should be a last resort in my opinion.I don't want echo chambers. Talk to people or ban the troublesome ones. Hopefully improved mod tools released one day helps with all this defederating.
NATO doesn’t even want Ukraine remember? Then they’d have to actually contribute to the war more than letting it be fought to the last Ukrainian.
We don’t want more dead Ukrainians. If you’d like to hear our take, go check it out.
The US is involved in this situation — are you sure the US isn’t being the US here?
Agreed, I’m glad Lemmygrad doesn’t defederate Lemmy.world despite how tempting that must be sometimes to our admins.
Ahh yep there's the pro-Russian opinion.
"Stop giving arms to Ukraine so we can invade without killing so many of them, or them killing so many of us".
Fuck off, invader apologists.
On one hand, imperialistic hyperliberalism. On the other hand, imperialistic fascism.
A fascist and a "critically supportive communist" at a table is two fascists at a table. You get the bullet.
Don’t support fascism.
Buddy, you are supporting fascism. Your assesment of the lesser-of-two-evils here is based in neither compassion nor reason, but idiotic spite. You will actively side with a fascist regime against a liberal one not because you truly want a better world, but because you're a contrarian idiot. You are the greatest weapon fascism has on attacking the left, because you will blindly support everything it does.
I cannot stress this enough: You are both deeply evil and need to be outright killed so that the increasing influence of fascism can be stemmed and revolutionary consciousness can be developed.
I’m new to this communism thing. As far as I’m aware, I’m a communist because I actually do want a better world.
If you’re talking about the Russian Federation, I certainly don’t think they’re still socialist. The word critical in critical support does heavy lifting here. I want a communist government, not the Russian Federation government, and I’m happy to criticize them. Can you please explain how the Russian Federation is fascist though?
As an aside, in my previous example, do you think the USA got along great with the USSR after World War 2 even though they had been fighting together?
If you want to see revolutionary consciousness developed, then why exactly am I deeply evil and need to be murdered?