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The post above told you everything. Israel is an ally, Ukraine is not. To say that the distinction is merely semantic and not legally significant in every conceivable way shows a total lack of maturity and understanding of how the United States government operates, and how diplomacy and affairs of state are conducted. It's like something a little kid would say honestly.
Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East, and as fucked up as it may sound in light of very recent events, Israel represents the only long term chance for hundreds of millions of people in the middle east for human rights. It's not unlike America: It is not the country or the people that are a danger to the world, it is greed and nationalism. What Israel's current government is doing in response to an unprecedented terror attack ks really a domestic issue, affecting a comparative handful of people as to what would be affected by an Iran-Israel war, which is absolutely what would happen if America hangs its ally out to dry, not to mention all the goodwill and credibility we'd lose with our other global partners.
You’re downvoted because you’re full of shit. Show me how one is legally an ally and the other isn’t. Since you invoked legal significance. Further, for your bullshit point to stand, you’d have to demonstrate how it is not within Congress’s control, or the President’s unilateral control, to render Ukraine a “legal ally”, or whatever the fuck else you fancy your bullshit criterion to be.
You're at the peak of Mt. Stupid.
https://www.dsca.mil/foreign-military-sales-faq
How is democratic genocidal government better than autocratic genocidal government? Wasn't Hitler democratically elected?
Chance for human rights my ass.
Yeah is Iran going to be your mid east human rights beacon?
Because Israel is? Hahaha
It's the only democracy in the middle east. It's the best hope for government by the people in that entire part of the world. Your dismissiveness of this basic fact of US middle east policy reveals how shallow your knowledge is.
If democracy commits genocide what's the benefit of it being a democracy? Please explain. Is it better for a journalist living in the middle east to be murderer by democratic government than autocratic one? Is he less dead?
Explain what? That the world is full of horror and injustice and sometimes choices are hard?
Explain how choosing genocide supports human rights. I you mean that by supporting Israel you're making sure you have a good place to store weapons and can murder people in the region say that. Talking about human rights beacons makes you sound silly.
liberal democracies are breeding grounds for fascism.
Grow up.
this is just a personal attack.
please show me one fascist regime that has not arisen from a liberal democracy.
When the only source for your argument is "because I said so", that makes the person who said it the only logical target for any rebuttal.
While this person's statements aren't popular here because they're not in complete alignment and support of the Lemmy pro-Palestine position and they're upsetting the groupthink...they are also not incorrect, and nothing they've said actually supports the actions of the Israeli government or even really takes a position on the current fighting in any way. They're just explaining the diplomatic situation and how it informs US actions to other commenters who don't seem to have that perspective.
If anything they said was wrong, by all means make that point...but so far all I've seen is them explaining a harsh and uncomfortable truth, those who don't want to hear it shooting the messenger, and then when they're sticking to their guns and restating their points, here you are calling it a personal attack.
What they're saying isn't what people here like hearing, but it's the reality of the bigger picture in many ways.
>When the only source for your argument is “because I said so”, that makes the person who said it the only logical target for any rebuttal.
even if this were what is happening (it's not), this is still not an excuse to break the community rules.
wrong.