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[-] mathemachristian@lemm.ee 26 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Wrong, readsettlers.org

The mythology of the white masses holds that those early settlers were the poor of England, convicts and workers, who came to North Amerika in search of "freedom" or "a better way of life". Factually, that's all nonsense.

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A study of roughly 10,000 settlers who left Bristol from 1654-85 shows that less than 15% were proletarian. Most were youth from the lower-middle classes; Gentlemen & Professionals 1%; Yeomen & Husbandmen 48%; Artisans & Tradesmen 29%. The typical age was 22-24 years. In other words, the sons and daughters of the middle class, with experience at agriculture and craft skills, were the ones who thought they had a practical chance in Amerika.

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It was this alone that drew so many Europeans to colonial North Amerika: the dream in the settler mind of each man becoming a petty lord of his own land. Thus, the tradition of individualism and egalitarianism in Amerika was rooted in the poisoned concept of equal privileges for a new nation of European conquerors.

Edit: this seemed to confound a lot of people, so maybe a bit more explanation. When people say that immigrants to the US were looking for "a better way of life" it suggests that they are fleeing a life of hardship and poverty. This is wrong when talking about the "early" white settler immigrants to the US, a period which still spans a couple centuries. And the later, white working class immigrants still looked for ways to profit off slavery and genocide, the "better life" for them was built on stolen land and labor. It's nothing like the current immigrants to the US which the GOP loudly and the Dems quietly look to oppress.

[-] user134450@feddit.de 24 points 8 months ago

your text seems to agree 100% with one of the examples in the original posts text: ”[…] immigrants who […] simply sought better lives for themselves and their descendants“.

could you elaborate why you think it is wrong?

[-] mathemachristian@lemm.ee 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

They didnt flee persecution. Also the "better life" was built on the back of slaves, which seems a bit disingenous phrasing.

Edit I guess the point is that the people coming to steal land and genocide peoples aren't like the immigrants today, its a false equivalence

Edit2 also the first line literally disagrees with that

[-] TomSelleck@lemm.ee 9 points 8 months ago
[-] TheSanSabaSongbird@lemdro.id 5 points 8 months ago

The entire comment is unmitigated bullshit. Think about it; it uses the years 1654-85 as a representative sample of European immigrants to North America, but that's absurd because we know for a fact that mass immigration from Europe didn't really start until the 19th century so it can't be even remotely true that most white Americans are descendants of the immigrants they use in their sample. It's shoddy and intellectually dishonest scholarship that's obviously and almost comically pushing an agenda. As such it doesn't deserve to be taken seriously.

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

Everything they've said is blatant propaganda word salad that they're regurgitating completely out of context.

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