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Senate votes against Sanders resolution to force human rights scrutiny over Israel aid
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The two party thing has been going for 150 years. The top will not ever allow change in the regime.
Sanders almost won in 2016 but the DNC actively conspired against him to run Hillary. The Democrats will rather lose than allow the system to change.
Prescient. I don’t think many centrist have realized that yet.
You, in another comment chain, are advocating for voting third party and advocating against grassroots change like Unionization and winning local elections. If you realize the top will never ever allow change in the regime, then why are you advocating against bottom-up pressure, and advocating for knowingly spoiling your vote?
Not the one concerned, but the two party system used to include the wigs. One party can get dismantled and I think it would only happen with bottom up pressure, and grass roots.
Yep, that's my point entirely. With the current two party system, voting third party is purely a spoiler vote without mass grassroots pressure like Unionization and winning local elections. They've argued against building up that bottom-up pressure as pointless, and instead advocated for voting third party, getting the order entirely wrong.
With the current dem/rep split, voting Democrat is what leftists should do purely as loss prevention. It's only with genuine outside, bottom-up pressure that third party could ever be viable.
Voting Democrat hurts any leftist credibilty and promotes complacency.
It will only shift the system further right. Then Right wingers will complain about whichever incompetent Democrat is in charge at the time is actually responsible and we need an incompetent Republican instead.
The longer you vote for people like Biden, the more people will believe in Trump or an even worse Fascist that will rise up.
this is certainly a take. you honestly think putting republicans in office will show "the people" how bad they are?
I literally don't think any candidate can be worse than trump. antivaxxers (who are majority repub) died in droves during the pandemic and he won lowa by a landslide.
trump is literally as incompetent as they come. but republicans are incredibly loyal and I don't believe anything short of the president commiting mass murder will change their minds.
now is not really the time for big brain takes, just vote Biden and get smashed afterwards if you want.
Voting for Biden makes you complicit in Genocide. You will become a Nazi in act by voting for Biden (or Trump). That will be the defining moment that you lose all innocence.
not voting doesn't mean your hands are clean. if the goal is world peace, your choice is Biden, not voting, trump.
Are you claiming Bin Laden was right?
There is nothing wrong with Unionizing. Just voting for the Nazis at the helm.
The point is what Bernie had proven. The Democrats will never change if you try to work with them or join them. This is similar to the excuse of Democrats "trying to find a middle ground" for Republicans voters that will never vote for them anyways and adopting right wing policies.
The party is rotten from the top. This is why progressive people made third parties to begin with. Because changing a rotten organization from the inside isn't possible. You need a new organization to replace it.
You directly said that grassroots activism, ie Unionization, is akin to grassroots genocide, so I'm glad you're walking that statement back.
The Democrats will not change if you work with them or join them, yes, neither will the Republicans, and third parties will absolutely never gain any traction without significant grassroots change like Unionization.
By voting third party without building up mass grassroots change, you're spoiling your vote and enabling fascism. You can't just vote a third party into office without genuine pressure from the bottom.
Again, read Reform or Revolution. You can't change the Dems, and you can't change the two party system itself, via voting. You understand that the dems can't change, so then why do you think the entire US can change just with electoralism?
I made it 15 minutes through the paper you recommended and then gave up because there doesn't seem to be a conclusion anywhere just a massive irrelevant story.
I don't even know who she's referencing in her story and I'm sure as hell not going to read some bank simp paper to find out.
I can recommend you this podcast that perfectly predicted every single thing that is happening today in America and israel. From an actual progressive that can use coherent words. The weird thing is that this was recorded two years ago. And it feels like this podcast was recorded yesterday
https://youtu.be/69pEzsfX8Aw?t=26m44s
Reform or Revolution is one of the most foundational writings in leftist history, so if this is just "some paper" to you and not the seminal work taking down the nonsense that is electoralism then you're either a fed, or found the wrong paper. If you didn't read Rosa Luxembourg's masterwork and just happened to find some random progressive, then you get a pass, otherwise you've successfully outed yourself as a fed.
Recommending Hedges over Rosa Luxembourg, pretending he's "an actual progressive that can use coherent words" while Rosa herself isn't, is nothing short of pathetic. Hedges fancies himself a Marxist, yet you seem to ignore every single Marxist writer in history.
If Hedges is telling you that virtue signaling is all that matters, and that grassroots, bottom-up movements that stand to shift the very foundation that the two party system rests on is a waste of time, then neither you nor Hedges are leftists at all and are merely grifters and feds.
Reevaluate your positions and values. If you truly care about the Proletariat, then accept that electoralism is purely loss prevention and make an actual difference in people's lives. Support a local Socialist candidate, join or start a union, and actually read theory, rather than getting your brain rotted out by podcast bros.
Chris Hedges, the guy who sued Obama over the illegal arrest laws.
Is a fed.
It's clear that you didn't manage to watch anything of that video lol.
I classify your linked paper as trash because of the insane overusage of thesaurus. It's like someone needed to pad their essay with big words to look smart. The sentences aren't complex they are just overcomplicated. I'm not reading 10 chapters of that. Bernie's results prove more than that paper could ever.
Thatcher is classified as genius too by some. Don't need to read it to know it's stupid.