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People keep talking about "Federalizing the National Guard" and now you've got other States pledging their NG to Texas in defiance of the Supreme Court (see image).

So is this what CW2 looks like?

P.S. I'm a Brit

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[-] Knoxvomica@lemmy.ca 7 points 8 months ago

Serious question. Couldn't Texas just hold a referendum to scede?

[-] BenLeMan@lemmy.world 25 points 8 months ago

Abraham Lincoln thought they could not. In his inaugural address, he opined that the union was formed for perpetuity and that if the accession of a state to the union required the consent of all other states, so would its secession. He was, among other things, a lawyer so he usually knew what he was talking about.

[-] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Serious question. Couldn’t Texas just hold a referendum to scede?

Abraham Lincoln thought they could not.

I have a vague memory of Texas having a unique status, versus the other States, when it comes to succeeding from the Union.

That there is some kind of (state?) constitutional clause that would actually allow them to succeed if they wanted to.

Has something to do with the fact that they were their own country for a very small period of time, before joining the Union.

Can't remember any details though, was something I read a long time ago; apologies.

[-] JustAnotherRando@lemmy.world 22 points 8 months ago

Legal Eagle just released a video on exactly this topic. Spoiler: the whole Texas being allowed to secede is basically a myth and pretty much all scholars agree that Texas nor any other state has the ability to leave except by a mutually agreed dissolution or via revolution.

[-] jandar_fett@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

I adore Legal Eagle.

[-] ohitsbreadley@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 8 months ago

The thing about law though, is that it's just a framework of written social contracts between rational parties agreeing to abide by the terms and consequences.

Reality is a bit different.

Texas could halt physical transport of goods/services. Refuse to buy US imports. Stop collecting tax revenue. Gun down federal employees that don't swear Texan allegiance.

It doesn't really matter what legal papers say, when it comes to actions.

Sure - there may be consequences for such "illegal" state actions, and the documented illegality would be articulated as official justification after administering such consequences.

But that also only matters if Texas is defeated ... in the unlikely event they "win," - they'd write their own narrative with legal justification.

[-] iquanyin@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

how would texas win against the full federal military that has nukes and drones?

[-] ohitsbreadley@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 8 months ago

I'm not saying they have any chance - just making the point that "legal" and "illegal" are arbitrary and determined by whoever is the dominant power. Texas seceding is "illegal" only so long as the US remains powerful. If by some unholy miracle, Texas were to win independence from the US, they would probably write their own laws to say rejoining the US is illegal.

Another pair of cases to make my point - the Holocaust was "legal" to the Nazis. After they were defeated, the UN made genocide "illegal." But how many genocides have occurred around the world since 1949?

Laws are only as good as they are enforceable, which is exactly what you underscore by citing the strength of the US military. Is it "legal" to make drone strikes or drop a nuke on Texas? 🤷

[-] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

Legal Eagle just released a video on exactly this topic.

Love his videos! I'll be sure to check it out.

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